Unlocking the Cosmic Code: Exploring Numerology with Meaghan Alton

Unlocking the Cosmic Code: Exploring Numerology with Meaghan Alton

by | Sep 26, 2023 | Podcast

Are you ready to unlock the universe’s cosmic code? The Business Psychic Podcast invites you to take a journey into the unseen world of numerology with our esteemed guest, Meaghan Alton. This economist turned numerologist will guide you into understanding how the language of numerology translates energy into something we can interpret and utilize in our everyday lives.

This power-packed episode concludes with reflections on numerology and its potent force. We discuss the possibility of falling in love and getting married in November 2024 and its implications for our dreams and aspirations. Moreover, you’ll gain access to my transformation suite and complimentary resources to aid you in expanding your business in alignment with your soul’s purpose. Join us and discover the power of being able to manifest your dreams through the fascinating world of numerology.

 

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Amber Annette:

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depths of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, and today I am super excited to introduce you to Meaghan Alton. Meaghan is an economist turned numeralogist. So freaking cool, let me tell you. She is the secret weapon for business owners who want to use the energetics of alchemy, aligned with business strategy, to amplify their natural state of abundance and create an undeniable magnetism in their work and lives. Meaghan’s unique approach to integrates numerology like codes and cosmic guidance, activating her clients to feel the energy in new ways, heightening their intuitive skills and learning how to alchemize challenges into opportunities using the language of numbers. I am so excited to dive into all of these things because I’m when my curiosity is heightened. Like we know we want to lean in. So, Meaghan, welcome. I’m so like fascinated, curious, all things numerology and like let’s just unpack all of the ways that you serve your clients. So welcome to the podcast, thank you for having me. I was introduced to you like we had a. We have a co-friend, jennifer, and she was like girl. You guys have to connect Because when you connect like like you guys are going to like shatter, like realms. So I and we’ve chatted a little bit but like we’ve never had like a deeper interaction. So I’m super excited for this podcast and I am really curious because my gift is to be a psychic. Like I’m a psychic medium. I talk to source, I talk to spirit, I just know things. But like numerology can like really take all of that energy and give like science to it, give structure to it. So kind of just break it down for us a little bit, like how’d you get into this and how can we use it in our lives and our businesses?

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah, absolutely so, one of the things I love about numerology. Let me just like explain what it is right. So there’s this idea, this concept that energy is everywhere, right, all around, and, as an intuitive and as a psychic and as a medium, you can directly feel it and interpret it. But for so many of us, we can feel it and sense it, but we have a hard time grasping the threads that we’re feeling and clearly grounding, landing and articulating that. So a tool like numerology is a language for translating energy into something I can actually interpret for myself. So I always say, if you think of energy as this, like nebulous dust, cloud of metal filings and you’re moving around through your life, yeah, you can feel it and you can sense it. You might get a gut feeling or an intuitive hit. But if you take a magnet to give those metal filing structure, now you have something solid and your intuition needs to come in to interpret it. So it’s a combination of having this like solid structure which gives your intuition the sense of like, trust and safety and support and guidance to interpret the energy that you’re picking up. So a lot of my clients and myself included, we use numerology to strengthen our intuitive hits, strengthen our intuitive downloads, make sense of something that we feel on one level, but we may not be able to put it into words or we haven’t quite figured out. Like what is it that I’m sensing right now, and so, for so many of my clients, it actually strengthens and dials up their intuitive gifts.

Amber Annette:

I love it. I’ve never looked at numerology before in my entire life, so I’m fascinated by it because I love the way that you just gave structure to what I sense and feel. So I have a lot of astrologists that are clients and I will say stuff to them like, oh my gosh, I’m sensing feelings, seeing X, y, z, and they’re like, oh well, that’s because, like Jupiters in your ninth house, they’ll break down the like astrological reasons why I’m feeling the ways that I’m feeling, and give that structure and that, like, this is the reason. And could it be that reason Absolutely. So I love the way that you’re saying you can take what you’re sensing and feeling around you and give it a mathematic equation almost to make it make sense. So, especially, I think, for, like people that really wanna know the why and the how, you know like I’ll use myself as an example I don’t know how and why I’m able to do what I do and I don’t try to decipher it and get really deep into that. I just wanna be a clear channel. But that’s hard for a lot of people. They want to know why, they want to know the specifics of how, and I love that you’re giving them that through numerology. So very cool.

Meaghan Alton:

I love it. Well, and I love that you brought up astrology, because a lot of people you know, these are the questions I get or I have, like I have a lot of clients who have multiple cool magical modalities, whether it be astrology, human design, numerology, I mean I don’t know. There’s a million out there, right, and they, you know, the way I like to look at it is we’re all trying to make sense of a particular territory. Okay, so like say, I’m looking out the window and I’m seeing like a mountain and a tree. I’m gonna use a map to interpret it and we’re talking about energy. So nobody can see it. I mean, as a clairvoyance, you can see it, but so many of us are trying to grasp at something we sense, right, and so we’re gonna use different maps for interpretation. And sometimes you do need multiple kinds of maps. You want like a trail map and a topographic map and whatever, and so when you intertwine and work with these tools together, they can actually be super complementary and supportive. So I’m not an expert in astrology by any means or human design by any means, but every now and then I get an astrology reading, I get a human design reading or whatever it is. I check in to find out. Well, what would a different map perceive of the scenario that I’m working through right now?

Amber Annette:

I, yeah, one of the things that I’ve always been fascinated about is cycles Like human cycles, human. If I would have never gone down the spiritual path, I probably should have went down the psychology path, because it just fascinates me. My son right now he’s in 10th grade, he’s 16 and he’s taking psychology like AP psychology classes, and he comes home every day and I’m like tell me everything. I’m like tell me it all, but anyway. So one of the things that I have always found like fascinating is the mathematics behind manifestation. You know, so I don’t know if you’ve ever seen like the three by three rules or like, so tell me a little bit about that. Like is there. You know, I read somewhere recently where it was like I think it was like Nikola Tesla made a comment about like the world is made up in numbers. You know, like the world is all just like one big numeric matrix. Like you just have to learn how to like do the math, basically what comes up for you, and like I start going down that path with it.

Meaghan Alton:

Oh, I freaking love it. Like I totally agree that numbers are the building blocks of everything, everything. And so, when you understand the codes that you’re working with and there’s two well, there’s probably lots of different kinds of codes, but there’s two clear types of codes that we work with. Number one would be our code. So this is the physical embodiment of who I am. Right, I carry certain codes and certain number patterns within my being. I’m actually here to grid that energy, right? So this is part of the part of this. Like creation, you know fabric. It’s like I’m gridding this energy, you’re gridding a particular energy that is creating a certain frequency, availability on the planet, right? So we have this personality that we’re working with, and then we also have how energy moves through time. So these are different cycles that we happen to be in and these cycles layer and layer and layer, and so you end up having this multi-dimensional, spiraling vortex of energy, which most of us have a hard time conceptualizing, because we can only really truly conceptualize in the 3D. Some very skilled mathematicians can conceptualize in the 4D, but when I was an economist and when I was studying economics and university, we used to have to learn how to do math in 5D, 60, 70, in all these different dimensions, right, make your math. And it’s very hard to conceptualize what’s happening. And so, when you think about these cycles and patterns that are overlaid with each other, we have a hard time drawing a map of that. So we take slices and we’ll be like OK, so right now, let’s just look at today, what’s the energy of today? Or like let’s look at the month, right, so the month of September carries a particular energy. Now, that’s going to be a universal pattern, the way I’m explaining it right now. But we also have our own personal, individual patterns that play into the universal. So you have all these layers that build upon each other, and I do believe that’s what’s made up this. I mean, I don’t even know what to call it hologram, but not real. But bring in the quantum physics, where you’re like it’s a wave, it’s a particle, you know what I mean. And yeah, yeah, come together.

Amber Annette:

OK, so human behavior inside of that is where I was going with the loving of psychology I find myself like I journal. I’m an avid journaler. I write almost every single day, whether it be in my digital like a digital note section or in my actual journal I document I would. I would even say it’s more of a like documentation process than an actual like journal process. And I find it fascinating, Meaghan, that sometimes I can go back a year to five years and find myself writing almost word for word the same thing five years later on the same day, Like. So in this moment I’m feeling like that that has to be tied to some of this in some way. Right, those cycles, those patterns, those behaviors, and when you’re talking about those grid overlays, like, can you change them? Can you change those grids?

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah, so OK. So this is such a good question Because I believe that we’re always co-creating. So I believe that you, you are, you are given patterns that you work with right, but the patterns aren’t fortune telling. The patterns are a co-creation with the belief systems you carry. So this is where the behavior comes in right, because if I’ve carried certain beliefs, if I’ve been conditioned to understand life in a certain way or understand business or relationship in a certain way, that is co-creating with the energy that I’m born into. But then another piece of the co-creation is the fact that I can change, I can grow, I can transform, I can look at things under new light, and then I’m also having these collective agreements around us. So let’s just try to come up with a concrete example. Let’s just say I’m going to use an example of my own life. Ok, let’s just say I grew up in a family where everyone had like jobs. Ok, most of the people were teachers, there was some accountants, but literally like 80% of my family and extended family are high school teachers. And so when I grew up and I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I had to work with a lot of the own conditioned programming I had around what it meant to take financial risks, what it meant to do something outside of the nine to five, all of this kind of stuff, and I worked through that and now I’ve been an entrepreneur for like 12 years, ok, so a lot of those beliefs around the risk taking involved an entrepreneur no big deal. But now I’m also working with collective beliefs of what does it mean to be an entrepreneur in a very unusual industry, right, and there’s some collective energy there as well as my own personal belief system that I’m navigating. So as an intuitive, if you’re looking at that, and I come to an intuitive especially a tumor, a numerologist, but arguably any intuitive and I’m like, ok, I want to make a million dollars as a numerologist, right, what they’re going to do is pick up on a timeline that has certain probabilities associated with it, right?

Amber Annette:

Yeah.

Meaghan Alton:

Based on my code, based on the collective beliefs. There is a timeline available and, let’s be honest, the probability of most numerologists making a million dollars is relatively low. But it’s not zero and, if I understand I’m working with timelines I can decide. Ok, what are the energy frequencies I can play with to help me access a different timeline, one where I make a million dollars as a numerologist? How does that fit for you?

Amber Annette:

Well, so here’s what I tell people all the time when they get a reading from me.

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah.

Amber Annette:

Look, Meaghan, everything I tell you today, it is 100% accurate and it’s based off of whatever timelines I’m reading in that present moment and I’ll always use the example of, and you have free will. So as soon as you leave my office today, you get the choice of turning right to go to Starbucks or turning left to go to Dumb Brothers for coffee, and that one choice and that one decision starts shifting immediately everything. Now, the thing is is that most people I do believe and maybe you can like support this with numerology they are on a trajectory that is very difficult for them to get off of. So that’s why, typically, when I read something for them, it’s, I would say, like actually plays out. I would honestly say probably 95 to 97% of the time. The things that I could be off on might be like baby gender or the actual date somebody has a baby or things like that. But actual life, purpose, passion, relationships coming to an end, relationship starting, those kinds of things, man, it just feels like those are the things that are really and they’re in its base, at the very top of those beliefs which are probably I mean, that’s probably the hardest work we do as human beings is change our beliefs you know. I mean in some of my past episodes I’ve talked about. I grew up in a very different setting where my mom never worked and my dad was an entrepreneur at its worst. He had come up with this brilliant idea back in the 70s for a hydraulic wheelchair for people that were paraplegic, so that if they back then you have to think like in the 70s, right like there weren’t like off road SUV wheelchairs for people that wanted to still go hunting or still have an active lifestyle. So my dad got this huge patent for this and most likely any any type of wheelchair like that to date is probably based off of my dad’s patent. But he was a horrible entrepreneur, terrible with money, was an alcoholic. We would I’m not kidding you, Meaghan we would sometimes go from living in like I will say, like a mansion. We would go from living in mansions with indoor pools and Cadillacs and Porsches and all of those things to like living in somebody’s basement in like a trailer or a trailer park and then like a year later we would be back to a mansion. I mean it was beyond anything. And I had to work through a lot of those beliefs when I first became an entrepreneur that you could have stability, you could have structure, so working through beliefs, blending it with the science of numerology to me. I’m like this is. I feel like this is even maybe a missing piece for me that I didn’t even know was out there. So how do you do it? Like, how do you start, you know, interpreting these numbers? Or how do you start looking at you know, like, honestly, the farthest I’ve got is like on tic-tac at like randomly kind of came up on my for you page. It was like a guy who’s like here’s how you come up with your life number. You take your birthday, like, break it down, like, and I’m sure obviously there’s probably infinite equations you could come up with for yourself but like, how do people get started with this?

Meaghan Alton:

So the I mean it’s the numerology that you’re seeing on tic-tac and most of the numerology that people can do like back of the envelope calculations, math in your head kind of thing is Pythagorean numerology and it’s all based on your birthday. That’s all it is and it’s all based on dates, right? So in order to find what I would call your ruling number some people call it your life path number it’s just all the digits of your birthday. Okay, so, like the month plus the day plus the year, you break them all into single digits and you add them all up and for most of us, if we’re born somewhere in the 1900s, you end up with a really big number. For me, I get 27. Okay, so if you add it all up, I mean if you’re born from 2000 on, you can get a small number, like all my kids have a small number, right, because they were born in 2000. And so there’s not as many large numbers, if that makes sense. On the birthday, yeah, yeah, which is important because these actually show generational patterns. As you can see, generation patterns based on the dominance of birthdays. That would, for example, every kid born this year carries two, twos and a three in their chart, no matter what right. Every kid that grew up the same year I did carries an eight and a nine in their chart, because I grew up in 1980. So that carries a particular influence that indicates stuff about our generation. So, anyways, you add it all up. You got to put the big number 25 is for me. You add that again and then you get seven. So that means I’m a ruling number seven. So anybody listening you can write that all out. Add them all up. The only time you don’t is if you get a 10 or 11, you would keep it. So when we look at ruling numbers, in my experience we look at numbers two through 11. And this is like one teensie piece of your chart. But it’s the place to start right, because if you start to interpret what your ruling number is and you realize, like I did, that there were pieces of myself that I had completely denied and disassociated from my entire life. Because of this is where the psychology comes in, because of conditioned responses, where it was like I got love, approval, acceptance if I behaved a certain way, which actually took me away from my core energy, and so I had to go through this whole reclamation of like, well, what is my core energy, how do I embrace that and how do I own and honor that? And that is a big in my experience. When people go through that process, that’s a big timeline shift for a lot of people. Right, acting in a certain way based on conditioning, versus acting in alignment with your true core energy, that actually speeds up manifestation, it increases your intuition, it makes like a clarity of a plan and a focus so much easier because you’re not like fighting this internal battle even if you’re not always aware of it, like I didn’t know right.

Amber Annette:

Let me ask you something. Yeah, cheers, one of the things that I have always kind of like struggled with a little bit, with like astrology, human design, those kinds of things, is that I believe my energy is like bigger than the planets. Right, like Mercury’s in retrograde Okay, that’s fine. But my energy in this moment, my power, is in being present. It’s in like shifting my energy, it’s in shifting my beliefs, it’s in taking inspired action, it’s in honoring and believing wholeheartedly in the law of attraction and my connection to the universe. Is that true? Based off of like numerology, right, like, even though numerology gives you this number and astrology gives you this sign and all of the things like, we still have the power in us to like make the shift and change that path right, absolutely, absolutely, 100%.

Meaghan Alton:

And I believe we’re here to learn to work with a certain energetic frequency and that’s why we’re born into certain bodies that contain certain codes. But the thing is, once you embrace and learn how to work with that energy, the more masterful you become with your own home base, the easier it is to work with the other energies. Right, and we cycle along. So I might embody a specific code, but I cycle through all the codes in different stages in my life and in those stages I’m learning to work with a different code, with always this idea like I come back to home base, but for this year or for this month or for this seven year cycle, I am going to become an expert in this energy, and then, when I come back to my home base, it gives me another kind of like color I can paint with in my life.

Amber Annette:

Okay. So what about signs and numbers, right, like, okay. So I I mean we see some of the common ones, right, like 1111222333, whatever it is, you know, like the numbers, like the repetitive numbers that are always interpreted as like angel numbers or signs from the universe, right, and I’ll never forget, like when I first kind of got into this space, I was like seeing those, you know, like 1111 is for sure, like even still to this day, I see that every single day, no matter what I’m guided to my phone, sure shit, it’s 1111, you know, and you have a battery too, right, yeah, yeah, and it’s like, and it’s November 11, you know, it’s just like all of this, like those things happen all the time for me, which I love, yeah, but what bothers me, and what I’ve said before, is that I, like Doreen virtue I don’t know if you remember her, but she like created a code or a meaning behind every single number and I was like screw you, doreen. Just because that’s what it meant for you in that moment doesn’t mean that’s what it means for me or for the collective. For example, the number 38 doesn’t seem really relevant or important to the majority of the people, and her explanation of it was nothing. But to me that number is so like, it’s filled with so much happiness and joy and memories, because that was my son’s baseball number. And every time I see 38, I’m just like, oh, brings me back instantly to just a time when I just I loved that part of life with me and him.

Meaghan Alton:

So so that, like there’s, there’s a couple of pieces I want to say about this. Number one your intuition determines the meaning. There is certain core energy frequencies that different numbers will run, but the 1111 thing is often Well, it’s an individual agreement, but it’s also a collective agreement. We have this idea that when I see 1111, that means my angels or my spirit guides were present with me and so we’re telling them that. And so they’re like okay, now that I know that I’ll show you 11s all the time so that you know I’m always here with you. But let’s be real, we already know they’re always here with us. So let’s actually invite them into a richer conversation and be like send me a code and let me drop into my intuition and fill with that code means now that I know I can have this more like deeper, profound conversation. So you saying 38, 38 breaks into an 11, 8 plus three is 11. 11 already has meaning for you. But then if you look at the three and the eight, you can also start to look at the meaning behind that. And they’re like I said, they do carry frequencies, but our intuition will color in the lines. So three is creative amplification, right. Three is going to expand and grow and it’s going to be creative. And it’s a very quick manifesting number and eight is all about depth, devotion, dedication and discipline. So if you have a child playing sport, like what a beautiful combination of energies to have fun, be creative, be playful, but also discipline, go deep, like dedicate yourself, like like go deep. This isn’t a surface level experience for us, right?

Amber Annette:

And when you that’s what’s even so interesting about that is that would also describe probably like my relationship with him. So very cool.

Meaghan Alton:

So number for you, yeah, yeah, and I mean I think there’s the emotion you’re feeling behind the number is really the only sign you need you know, like 100%, and this is what I teach, like, because there is a process I teach called manifestation by the numbers, where we look at how a number evolves from one to 11 and numbers go through an evolution so you can understand where you’re at in a manifestation cycle. You can understand am I meant to take a risk, am I meant to ground in, am I meant to whatever? But the first thing you do when you see the number is you pause, you drop into your being and you bring your intuition on board by asking, like what’s coming up for me? What do I feel? Is this activating a core memory or some kind of storyline, like what’s happening, and then start to follow that thread to see where it takes you.

Amber Annette:

Well, I don’t know about the listeners, but I know I’m like so leaning into more of this. I can’t. I like really am fascinated, and it’s not very often that I like buying topics that like fascinate me, but so I mean, so, share with us a little bit. Like I’m super excited to announce that we are joining forces and I’m going to be guest guesting inside of your new experience, inside of your program, your signature program that you run. So let’s talk a little bit about that. Like, how can we like go deeper with you and actually start like breaking down our own codes and our own patterns? Share with us a little bit about that.

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah, absolutely so. There’s a few different ways. Number one I do a free training twice a year. I have this like deep passion in my heart that everyone should know this. It’s informed how I parent my three children. It’s informed how I relate with my close friends, my family, all of it, and so I want everyone to be able to access that. So I actually teach a free training. It’s coming up in October, it’s very accessible and that way it’s something that you can do some basic numerology for your loved ones, your families, and really start to get a sense of why are they the way they are and how do I honor and see them in their strength, in their truth and in their power. So that’s one. And then for people who want to go deeper, I offer a practical numerology certification program which is all about taking numerology, making it super grounded and practical so that you can actually use it. A lot of my clients use it in business. They either build businesses as numerologists or they work with it in an existing business. Maybe they’re a coach or a healer or an energy worker or anything where they’re working one-on-one with people or even with groups to better understand why does this person sabotage this way, what kind of blind spots might be something this person experiences. What are their gifts, what are their opportunities, what are their strengths? You know what are they, what energy are they here to embody, to code and to grid, and how does that influence their health, their relationships, their life, their finances, their business, like all of it right? And so I teach that in the practical numerology certification, which I’m super excited because I’m bringing you in to do a guest teaching and I think it’s going to be such a fabulous collaboration for my people for sure, best ever Like I’m.

Amber Annette:

I mean I’m. I feel like, if you know me, I’m already. I’m always pretty energized about anything I say yes to, but this is like a full hell body. Yes, Like hello. Truth bumps everywhere. And I just also want to say, Meaghan, like I am excited to learn from you. I feel like, so often, I’m always the one that I feel like you know I’m teaching, I’m leading, I’m inspiring, and I just love everything that you are saying and like what you’re bringing to the world. So I’m so excited to like be a part of it and bring my audience with me on that journey, to like work with you. So I just I find what you do so needed and to give such a beautiful grounding to, to the spiritual realm in so many words, and you do it in such a cool way with, like these numbers that just add up and just make sense. So, yeah, so I’m excited to be a part of that and we’re going to put into our show notes a way that people can come and join in. So this episode is going live like the week before. So, if you’re listening, you’re probably listening on September 27th hopefully the day it gets launched, but your challenge is actually the first week of October. So we’re going to put all of the links for everybody to come and join me and join you over there and learn from you and then hopefully also step into your fabulous certification program, which I’m honored to be a part of as well. So more details.

Meaghan Alton:

Well, and I will say you know, like if anyone’s listening to this after the dates, I super secretly keep the landing page up and the recordings up because I always trust things find you when you need it. Absolutely, it will land in your lap when you need it.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, yeah. Well, in true the business psychic fashion. So this will be in. This will be interesting to see if some of these things are already playing out or if you can put structure and numerology to it. So one of the things that I always do for my guest Meaghan is I do a business reading. So I’m going to tap in, I’m going to tell you what I’m kind of sensing and feeling, and sometimes it’s like over the course of years, sometimes it’s right now, like I I’ve I never really know what’s coming forward. So I’m going to give you a quick business reading and then I have a super important question to ask you at the end of our sesh ready.

Meaghan Alton:

Yes, oh my gosh, I’m so excited.

Amber Annette:

All right, so I just kind of take a second here to settle in. Okay, so, interesting enough, like the first thing that I’m sensing and seeing are products for you, and not just any products. Have you ever? So one thing that I’m seeing is like almost like these bracelets that have numbers and printed or a part of them, I feel like some actual products are something that a it just feels fun and playful and light for you to have on your website and to like gift to clients and that kind of thing, and it’s just like the joy and the act of you creating it that opens up other pathways to other ideas, programs, packages, anything along those lines. So there’s something really significant about I would, I would, really I feel like. I feel like they’re bracelets. So that’s number one, fun. Number two if you haven’t already, or if you maybe you do already have this or if not, I want you to create your own. What I’m going to say is like a numerology deck that I’m seeing and, again, the important piece of this isn’t that, like this deck of cards makes you isn’t like what creates the revenue, but what it does do is it creates content. It gives you daily content, and so I don’t know from a social media standpoint or Instagram, like what you kind of got going on. I’m as crazy as it sounds. I’m not in social media that much, but I feel like that might be something that, in 2024, is an integral piece to success for you is to really amplifying your content that is out in the world in your way and I’m seeing this coming from your own signature, unique deck that you create, because it gives you the confidence to just go and do create content in like in the moment, in the moment, in the moment, because it’s yours, it’s your own. I also don’t know this about you, but I feel like there’s and this is nothing to do with business which is interesting. I feel like there’s going to be a significant like romantic relationship that happens. I’m going to say, I feel like something significant about this romantic relationship happens in November of 2024. Now, I don’t know if you’re already dating somebody or I. Honestly, you could be married. As far as I don’t, I have no idea. We’ve never even really talked about that. I’m looking forward to hearing this, but there is something really significant about November of 2024 in that realm I that’s what I got.

Meaghan Alton:

Oh amazing, oh my gosh. I love the idea of the duck and it’s something that I’ve been thinking about because I’ve been working on a book as well, but it’s just it keeps being one of those things of like time, right.

Amber Annette:

Like yeah. So in my opinion, a pen tuition, like my opinion and in my intuition, all in one, my pen tuition. I have my own Oracle Card deck that I created I don’t know five, six, seven years ago now, and I didn’t create it with the intention of like, oh, I’m going to make all this like income or revenue from it. But let me tell you, I use it as like my book and B. I gift it to all my clients. My clients love it, they use them and anytime I personally ever. I’m just like I need content or I want to put something out or I need a message. It’s just so nice to have your own to use in that perspective. So I love it and the world needs it. So very cool. I’m excited to see if you bring that to the world. Oh well, thank you. And then now I’m just curious are you dating? Are you single? Like what is going on with us? You are single.

Meaghan Alton:

I am single. Yeah, yeah there’s. I mean I’m open to dating for sure, but yeah, I’m single.

Amber Annette:

I’m yeah. Well, now you’ll have to come back and do a follow up episode, because now we all want to know if you fall in love in November of 2024. Okay, or before. Maybe you get married in November. Maybe it’s like a, it’s quick and dirty. I wish that for you.

Meaghan Alton:

A world, we’re in.

Amber Annette:

All right, ready for the final question? Yes, do you know what I’m going to ask you? Have you listened to me?

Meaghan Alton:

No, don’t.

Amber Annette:

Oh my gosh, these are my favorite when people have never. I think I’m actually going to make this like a prerequisite almost before you come onto the podcast. You haven’t listened to the podcast, so you have no idea what this question is. Okay, if you could connect to anybody in spirit and receive a message from them today, who would it be?

Meaghan Alton:

Oh, it’s like instantly my grandma and my grandpa. They’re on separate sides of my family my grandma and my dad’s side, my grandpa and my mom’s side On your mom’s side.

Amber Annette:

Okay, so the first thing that comes forward for him. Do you remember? Did you know him? Well, yeah, I did. Okay, so did he serve? Was he? He feels like at some point did he serve in the military, anything along those lines?

Meaghan Alton:

Not that grandpa, that the other grandpa was in the army.

Amber Annette:

Okay, so that is almost instantly who I first connect with and that’s your mom’s dad, is that correct? It’s my dad’s dad that was in the army. Yeah, your dad’s dad that was in the army. Okay, so I connect with him almost and he feels like he was just like. He feels like he was very proud, just like such a and just such a proud, just he feels just like he was a really good man, maybe a little reserved, maybe a little quiet, but your other grandpa was super funny, is that accurate? Like I feel him start in fact, I know this like he was just really outgoing and extroverted and fun, and do you remember him being like that?

Meaghan Alton:

This is your mom’s dad, yeah, my mom’s like always like sit at the kids table at family functions.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, and I feel like, even though he was with your grandma it feels like for a very long time he was also quite a. It feels like a flirt, like a ladies man. Do you remember that about him, or did you ever?

Meaghan Alton:

hear that about him.

Amber Annette:

No, I mean, I feel like he’s literally just like flirting with me in spirit, like he just has that type of like very young, youthful, playful energy about him. He anything about music for him that you remember.

Meaghan Alton:

Well, he was an artist. I don’t particularly remember anything about music, but he was an artist Like drawing or coloring or painting something along those lines Draw and woodwork.

Amber Annette:

I would love for you to ask your mom if she remembers him listening to like records, like record players, or like while he created or while he painted and did that kind of thing. He says, you know, do you have one of his woodworkings? Yeah, he’s just point. He’s like she has something of mine, is what he’s like pointing out. And then your grandma, and this is your mom, your dad’s mom, is that correct?

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah.

Amber Annette:

So the first thing that I get from her. So I got two things. Number one is I got the image of this like I don’t know if they. I get the image of a dock and then on the edge of the dock, on one of the like wooden columns, I see this bird perch there and it just I can’t. It’s like a silhouette of a bird. I can’t even see what specific kind of bird it is and it just shows me these like wings opening, and so I don’t know if like that was like significant or if they had like a cabin on a lake or something along those lines. But that’s like the. It feels like this, very serene, and she’s just showing me you opening your wings. I feel like it’s very symbolic in that. And the other thing that I get from her is the image of her for sale sign. Is there anything about a for sale sign or selling a house or like why I would get that kind of image for her?

Meaghan Alton:

Well, there was definitely a lot of controversy when, because they lived in the house they lived in for forever and then it kind of they couldn’t live in it by themselves, and so my uncle kind of built an addition and there was a lot of kind of stuff around that that was. I think I was quite young when it was going on, but it felt stressful for the family.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I think you’re absolutely right and why she was like bringing up something with the home, anything about like why I would get the image of that bird for her is that’s something you’ve ever connected with or associated with her, I would even say I would even say like a heron. It feels more of like that kind of like. So I don’t know if you ever look at like spirit animals or anything with that. I’m gonna invite you. I don’t know the specifics behind that, but I feel like there’s a message for you like maybe go Google, like the Heron Spirit Guide.

Meaghan Alton:

Well, I see herons all the time in my neighborhood, so that’s really interesting and I do really strongly feel like she’s been encouraging me in my spiritual development, so I want to agree.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I would agree.

Meaghan Alton:

Yeah.

Amber Annette:

So know that those Herons are from her. She’s sending them. It’s just like her you know, just like where we have, you know you believe in numbers. I also believe that, like spirit sends us animals I really do. It’s just such a beautiful, quick way to like be reminded that they’re with us. So know you’re seeing those for a reason and they’re from her.

Meaghan Alton:

I love that so much. That makes me so happy yeah.

Amber Annette:

Awesome, Meaghan. This was so fantastic. Thank you so much for being here and being with me and for sharing with our audience. I’m so excited to like co-create with you in the future. Be a part of all your bringing to the world Anything else you want to bring.

Meaghan Alton:

This has been such a fun conversation, so thank you. I’m so excited to bring you into my conversation. I’m so excited to bring you into my community. I know everyone’s just going to love your take on things.

Amber Annette:

Same. I’m so excited for my community to meet you too. Awesome. And to all my listeners, thanks for listening to this episode of the Business Psychic and I will see you right back here next week. Till then, go see your own signs. Thanks for listening to. This episode Inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit, in terms of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic, Soul Sister.

Meaghan Alton

Meaghan Alton

Intuitive Strategist & Numerology Queen

Meaghan helps leaders find the confidence and clarity to live life on their terms, and to contribute in a way that honours their values, their priorities and the truth of who they are. 

As an Intuitive Strategist and Numerology Queen, she helps you access the codes and the patterns you were born with, so you can leverage your magic, your gifts, and truly own your contribution and impact. Unveil your truth, so it is deeply felt by those around you.

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Why Don’t People…with Shari Teigman

Why Don’t People…with Shari Teigman

by | Sep 20, 2023 | Podcast

Ever found yourself stuck in the planning phase of your business journey? You’re not alone. Shari Teigman, my incredibly talented friend and creative business strategist, joins me as we navigate the murky waters of entrepreneurial inertia. We dive headfirst into the challenge of transitioning from dreamland to reality and why so many of us seem to be addicted to staying in this place of pre-action.

Shari and I don’t shy away from the hard stuff. We tackle the challenges of saying goodbye and wrapping up projects, the importance of being present-minded, and the necessity of preparing for the unknown. We unpack the concept of success, the role of positive urgency and curiosity in achieving it, and why it’s crucial to trust ourselves and our ideas.

But it’s not all serious business talk. Shari and I also explore the power of play and humor in ambition, how to recognize signs from the universe, and why Daenerys Targaryen might just be your new business role model. Join us on this insightful journey and let’s start building businesses that are brimming with soul, purpose, and a dash of magic! 

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Amber Annette:

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, your host, and you are in for a juicy episode. Let me welcome to you the fabulous Sherri Tiegman. Sherri is a high-performance coach and creative business strategist who teaches the Maverick method to become the optimal you for your optimal life and business. She works with high-level CEOs, entrepreneurs and startups to unleash their inner Maverick and to remove the bottlenecks that keep them stuck and small to catapult into the next level of well-being and success in all areas. Sherri’s been in business for almost nine years with private clients and now runs the coaching department for one of the biggest sales and marketing training companies in the UK. Sherri has been one of my best business besties from pretty much day one. I am so excited to share a conversation with her that is going to be for you raw, real, transformative and a really deep look inside what it is like to be an entrepreneur in this online coaching and development space for almost 10 years. Sherri, I love you.

Shari Teigman:

I just love you. Thank you for having me. I can’t believe we’re doing this. This is so exciting. These have been thousands of conversations that haven’t been recorded. Now we’re actually recording one of our rants. This is amazing.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, we definitely need to remember that we are hosting a podcast and that we are live and people are going to hear us.

Shari Teigman:

Because we can I will behave as best as I know how, which is not very, but I’ll try.

Amber Annette:

We can get down some rabbit holes. For one time we were talking, we were like if anybody heard us right now, they would come in with straight jackets and that would be that was a present We’d be happily go. We’re done. We’re done. We can never tell people we talk like this. I’m excited to have those conversations Right before we hit record. We started we have no First of all, today is a very different podcast for me, because typically I give myself a framework of some questions I want to ask my guests that I have on. I don’t have that with you. I’m trusting that our 10 years together is going to lead this conversation and keep our listeners keep them listening, because we just started going down a path and I was like we need to hit record After both of what we were talking about man, look at us, look at us, look at how far we’ve come. 10 years. We’ve made it. We’ve been doing this, what we love for 10 years coaching, leading, guiding, speaking, inspiring, motivating. Then we started talking about some of those clients that we get that we can’t activate for some reason. We started talking about I’m probably going to call this episode this why don’t people Blink, insert whatever. Why don’t people-. I’ve got that, yeah. Why don’t people dot dot dot? So let’s dive in. I want to talk about number one. Why don’t people take action? Why don’t people take inspired action? I think you can probably appreciate this. All of my clients and I know the kind of people that you work with too. They have great ideas, they have amazing gifts and abilities and they are here to be game changers, and yet, holy shit, why don’t they take action towards that vision?

Shari Teigman:

Well, I think you just nailed it even in the question. It’s that Walter Middy thing If we stay in Dreamland, then we get to be fully expressed and reached our potential. But if we ship it into the world and it doesn’t work, then it’s only our fault. But if we don’t do the thing that we say we’re going to do, then we get to stay in the thinking about the thing and the being excited about the idea and then looking out at the world in the way that we problems solve. I mean, we were talking, we were meant to start recording this 40 minutes ago, but first we had a catch up. So during our catch up we were saying how you know whether we’re watching like Amber saying she’s watching commercials on TV, or I’ll read a book, and all we do is kind of like correct what we would do differently, or see the holes where other people don’t see. And it’s a very addictive place to stay in, that place of pre-doing, because that’s where people feel the most clear, the most ready, the most bold and confident, because they didn’t put it out in the world yet. So nobody was disappointed, they aren’t. No one’s not buying, they don’t have all the issues of what happens when we ship something. So I think it’s become a real addiction in the personal development and entrepreneur space to be the smartest one in the room to talk about it but not be the bold one who’s actually taking the action.

Amber Annette:

I feel like you’re kind of burning a hole in my soul here, because I am not kidding you. I have three books that are sitting on my Google Drive three and all of them have made it till about the last chapter or two and they are some of the best content I’ve ever created that I’ve never shared with a damn person. And the thought of like actually publishing it and putting it out and then not having the dream of it, I feel like we have to become, to stay in that unknown space of the launch and the putting ourselves out there and listen.

Shari Teigman:

You’re being so open and vulnerable by sharing that like. If this scares, you imagine what it does to regular people because you’re not a regular person. So we just hit the nail on the head here. This is the shortest podcast ever. We just finished. But it is that like. I know my aim, I know my goal, I know my potential, I know who I can be. And when the world or our audience or strangers reflect back something different, how do we reconcile who we want to be with who we currently are? How do we continue growing? In the moments when it is scary, when no one is watching, when no one’s clapping, we’re like cue the music. I’m a celebrity. Now I nailed it. I just solved everyone’s problems and the books don’t get published or gets published and six people like it in. One of them is your mom. You know what I mean. Like it’s a real. It’s terrifying to see ourselves in potential and then not have that guarantee that that’s how it’s going to go. So we make excuses, we get scared. Most of us then come up with new ideas because maybe the idea wasn’t good enough. And then it’s this round robin of almost launching over and, over and over again.

Amber Annette:

I literally just told Erin, my assistant, today. I was like I have an idea for a new book and she was like, oh okay, maybe instead of a new book, maybe I should just finish one of those other ones. But I mean, I think it brings up the topic of risk right. What we’re really talking about are taking these bigger risks, these risks of putting our ideas, our creative expression, our purpose out into the world. And yet I have no problem doing that in a lot of other areas. I mean, I published, I put out a podcast, I’ve I mean I have had my own business for 10 years, and I mean so like and I can associate that with so many of my clients as well like they’re taking risks, they are doing different things, they’re making investments, they’re trying, and yet it makes me wonder are there these bigger resistances to some of these risks? You know are there? You know, is this for I’ll use myself as an example here is this book like the biggest?

Shari Teigman:

risk I could take. So I think what comes down to for me, for what I see in myself and with clients, is it’s interesting you bring the risk thing up because a lot of entrepreneurs have like this busy fool syndrome where as long as I’m doing something I’m playing in Canva, I’m creating a small course I did made another lead magnet. That’s like the smaller playground. It feels comfortable, like, look, I am putting stuff out in the world, I am doing my thing, I’m sharing my message a little bit. But the identity piece linked to the bigger things let’s say a book or like the real clients we want to work with the real prices, we want to charge the real things we want to say out there. That’s when the alarm gets set off. So until then we’ve got a nice little rope to play in and I am very busy in my business and I’m good at what I do and the few clients who know what you do love you. For people who are, you know, getting started or whatever. And then, like, the alarm goes off and then all of a sudden we shrink back because our identity is at risk, not just our business. That risk thing is like who will I have to continue being if I actually put this out in the world and I see this a lot with clients where we say we’re afraid of failure, we’re far more afraid of success because if, let’s say, I hit that big number or I get that best seller or I run a successful launch, shit, I’ve got to do that again now. I can’t now slide back to where I was and just play in my small playground anymore, like the gate gets locked after that. Now I’m in a new playground as my baseline and I don’t know if I can do that.

Amber Annette:

What if, though? What if the fear is fear of failure?

Shari Teigman:

Well, it’s both. We’re caught in like this valley, like we don’t want to be embarrassed on the failure and if it’s successful, I don’t have another brilliant idea yet. I have a lot of little small ideas. So it’s this dance between them both which is why we stay busy.

Amber Annette:

I remember this time and I don’t know if you have the same view I, if you go with Gilbert for that creation of that book, because it brought ideas into such a beautiful light. For me, it was the first time that I ever found somebody else be able to explain ideas. I interact with them all the time and what she talked about was one idea leading to the next, and I don’t know if you’ve ever had this happen, but I have had some of these ideas where I feel like it’s an unlocking, an unveiling Most of my ideas are like that.

Shari Teigman:

So the way I describe this is you know, let’s say you go away for a weekend to like a beautiful cabin somewhere and it’s a little uninhabited and looked very different online than when you booked it. Let’s just say you walk in and you turn on the faucet and like brown, shitty water comes out first and you’ve got to let the water run until you get the fresh spring water. This is the way our brains and creativity work. If we don’t use it, it’s a muscle. So one idea unlocks the other, because self trust comes along with the cycle of creativity. So I have an idea, I act on it, I use it, I play with it. It’s like Play-Doh. I’m another one because I taught myself I’m allowed when we don’t listen, or we decide we’re in control of them, or I’ve got 20 minutes to be creative. Come on, blink and cursor Creativity. We work for creativity, not the other way around. So I think that unlocking is such a beautiful way to describe it because it is to access the deeper parts. But we’ve got to do the smaller bits first to prove to ourselves, our brain and to our creativity they’re like she’s doing it this time. Let’s bring out the big guns.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I remember one time years ago, sherry, you came into one of my groups and I don’t know if you remember this, but you quoted somebody and I still to this day don’t remember like who you quoted. But we were talking about creativity and we were talking about writing and you said write hi edit sober, yeah, oh, there’s a famous author that wrote it and I don’t remember.

Shari Teigman:

I’m going to find it now. It’s so true, we’ve got to run that water. You’ve got to just let the muddy water come first, shitty first drafts, if you’ve ever if Ayan Lamott bird by bird, one of so so so

Amber Annette:

here’s really interesting, why that that book would come forward. Right, I have man, I’m just like totally being super vulnerable, like I will, just like. I have a really hard time completing things and here’s why. Here’s the I’ve done a lot of like, I do a lot of personal reflection. So, for example, when this sounds so dumb, but toy story right, Toy story one came out with my daughter Aubrey was was baby when she was just born, okay, and then I had three other kids since her who have all gone through the toy story movies. Right, they’ve all watched them. It’s always been a thing. All the things my boys always dressed up as like Buzz Lightyear for Halloween, all the things it’s like been a really big. I fucking refuse to watch the final toy story for by the way, don’t, because it’s heartbreaking, so don’t. I can’t do it.

Shari Teigman:

It’s horrible.

Amber Annette:

I can’t do it.

Shari Teigman:

It’s wonderful, but it’s heartbreaking.

Amber Annette:

I can’t ever finish things like this. I and I know, and human beings I know, are this way as well. It’s hard for us to say goodbye, you know, and that it’s hard for us to like. I rarely will read the final chapter of a book, obviously, I barely. I can’t even like write even our own yeah. I have such a hard time of things being completed because it makes me feel so sad that it’s over.

Shari Teigman:

I’m the same, by the way. I hate goodbyes and the finality of it, and I think especially for intuitives, because we know the moment will never be the same. Regular people just say goodbye and they don’t realize what I’ve never going to be the same. Exactly. The moment will never be the same. The feelings, the emotion, the connection, the memories will change instantly as soon as that movie’s over Door closes, holiday ends, whatever it is. I struggle a lot with them. People, since I’m little people are why are you crying last day of school? Because it will never be this moment again.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, yeah, and that makes me think of that future moment of myself and of so many other people who are taking those actions to get there because they know change is inevitable.

Shari Teigman:

Yeah, and they don’t know how to. They know how to prepare the ideas now, but what happens later? And that’s out of their control. So who the hell would walk into something that’s out of their control? On purpose, nobody.

Amber Annette:

We don’t know how do you activate? How do you activate that motivation then to go after it, to become that so?

Shari Teigman:

for me exactly that. It’s so when I work with clients on this, the big vision is there. I don’t believe in balance. So I think there’s the big vision on one side and them as a person on the other side, and there’s a scaffold effect of the big vision is bigger than me right now. So my only job is to elevate myself, to be in communication level with that big vision. So it’s I have a big vision. I’m doing that holy crap moment. It’s going to be big. And then I immediately, naturally we shrink smaller because it feels too big. So we go into the realness of right now, which is where our doubts and fears and, you know, inner critic and all that come. So my job is always number one identify the big vision. And number two, we immediately go to who do I need to be in order to be able to be ready for that? So that’s when we look at what’s standing in between me and my big vision. I do this daily with clients and then all the comes up because it’s everything in them, starts raising his hand of saying, well, I can’t do that, can’t do it. Well, I tried that once, can’t do that. My third grade teacher told me I couldn’t do that, and it all just bubbles out because it’s finally at a precipice of like if I don’t change, I don’t get that big thing. Instead of making more excuses, being more busy and exhausting ourselves, in that moment the only question is great, I know where I want to go. I’m going to hike a mountain. What do I need for it? Well, I can’t go in my flip flops, in my sundress, can I? I’m immediately going to go on Amazon and start shopping for hiker me, and this is never going to happen. This is so theoretical by were to know about our lives of like I’m going to a cold location, we immediately go, take our cold stuff out. I’m going to a warm location, we know how to prepare ourselves, to be ready for things. We just don’t know how to prepare ourselves for something, and this is where the work is.

Amber Annette:

And I think this is where the attention needs to be, and it’s not. I can’t tell you how many times, when I get into a place of channel for my clients, the first and foremost thing that comes forward is how often are you pulling yourself present? Because if you pull yourself out, I really believe that it is when you are in your most present form that you are going to get your next set of instructions and directions to help you become who you want to be. And nobody, nobody, except for what’s his name Eckhart, eckhart Tolle. No one except him actually does this. I swear Like we get so wrapped up into the how that we don’t get connected to who.

Shari Teigman:

And it’s so scary to be sat in that presence piece for the thinkers and the dreamers and the doers that we think staying busy is moving us forward, but it’s actually moving us backwards because we scare on a little submission, exactly.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I think here’s the other thing that I find fascinating about ideas and action and motivation. Is that what you’re talking about. Most of us are on this loop, right when we’ve had these past thoughts, we’ve had these past ideas and we it’s like a hamster on a freaking wheel, right Like we start doing, going through the motions, the only motions we know how to do, whether it’s, let’s say, I’ll just use business, send emails, you do outreach, you write a sales page all the hamster wheel shit, right.

Shari Teigman:

Yeah.

Amber Annette:

But that is for past version of you, past ideas, where, if you pull yourself present, that’s where you have access to in the moment, creativity, ideas that have never come to this planet before. Because you’ve never, because you’re not operating off of that loop, like it just blows my mind what can happen when you, when you get present, what, how? The best analogy also, I think I’ve ever given is when you are being present, you are giving the universe this like green light energy. Just like if you’re playing red light, green light. You remember the game right, you run as fast as you can to the person. That’s like you know green light. Run as fast as you can. As soon as they say red light, you have to stop and freeze, right, like we all played that game in elementary school. That is what being present is like. You’re giving green light energy. The universe can run to you with everything you freaking desire, and yet we operate in the non present about 99.9% of our day and our time looking in the wrong direction, like you said, bringing forward something that was already done.

Shari Teigman:

But we are busy in it. A friend of mine, who’s also an intuitive, I love when she says that. She said universe doesn’t expect you to do 100%, the universe expects you to do your 100%. Your 100% is that presence. Your 100% is the brave, bold decision making and the brave action taking, and then the rest gets handled because you did your part. But when we stay busy, we’re actually moving so far away from what we promised ourselves. It’s almost like we have the big dream and then we claw back because maybe it’s a little too big, maybe not this year, maybe next year, and then the universe doesn’t understand what we’re asking for. So it stops because they’re not clear yet, they haven’t made their order yet and they’re too busy for it. Anyway, exactly, exactly. There’s no time in between sending emails.

Amber Annette:

Sometimes it seems so simple. You know what I mean. Sometimes I have moments like this where I’m like, okay, just meditate all day and it’s all going to work out, and it will. And yet do we do that? Absolutely freaking not. Instead, I will go and I will buy a new course on how to do TikTok ads, or I will do something I’ll read a book on funnels, or you know, another book, what we all need. Oh gosh, yeah. So what about urgency? You know? I mean, I think that I just, I think I love coaching so much because a I learn so much. Every single client I have I learn from, I learn from myself every session, and I don’t know how many seven, eight, 9000 sessions in 10 years. I have no idea I stopped keeping. I literally stopped keeping track after like 6,000. I’m not kidding you, and there was something about that like 10,000 hours thing for me. Like once I hit that like I stopped. I was like this is dumb, why am I still tracking this? But I really think that activating that positive urgency in people or helping them access it, even, maybe not even just activating, I think some people are activators and other people help people access, and I feel like some people just have that hunger and some people have that urgency and some people have that curiosity and some people don’t, or they just haven’t ever accessed it.

Shari Teigman:

What do you think I think? Well, curiosity for me is a big one, because I think that’s a big. To me, this is like a combination lock, like it’s never all on or off, but it’s how we read our own clues and our own energy, because we know that fear and excitement release the same chemicals in our body. So someone like me or you, who loves growth, is like game on. I have a new idea, but then you are less scared than I am. I can then scare myself into submission and then that same energy that felt like excitement is now panic and then I pull back. So it’s that own, we’ve got the break on in the car for different reasons. Think possibility, we need to make space for. Then, when we make space for it, we need to know what to do with it instead of like, oh, I was a little bit too big, I meant to dream big, but I didn’t need to go that big. So I don’t think people don’t have it. I think it’s activated in everyone and some people think differently about it than other people. So, for someone who is afraid of growth, their big dreams will scare them and then they make a lot of excuses because, like, not me, not now. I’m not that person. My well, frustration to me the most is I don’t know how to implore to the people that I am blessed to work with that you wouldn’t have had the idea if you weren’t supposed to birth it Like. This isn’t accidental, it’s trust me success is not contagious as much as most people would like it to be Like. That is in your brain and in your awareness and in your heart for a reason. So then we need to create a framework around how they activate themselves, and we know it’s not the same for everyone. So for some people, it’s first move through the fear, or acknowledge it, and get calm and get present. For other people, urgency is like you and I we run out of a shower and write an entire sales page dripping wet in the towel because we know grab it or it’s gone.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I think the conversation around success being contagious is. I mean, I definitely like to be around other people that are successful. It’s great to know.

Shari Teigman:

Yeah, you can sit and wait and pick up, like the bread crumbs from their peanut butter and jelly sandwich, eat it and suddenly magically turn into someone you are not. Couldn’t agree more. And I do love a crust of a bread. Don’t think that I wouldn’t eat your crust.

Amber Annette:

I also think that. So I have two parts to this conversation. The first part is I feel like for some people, the strive and the path and the way to success can become an addiction. Oh, a thousand percent. And I didn’t realize it until one of my best girlfriends said again here I’ll be man. I’m just like really being open up on this podcast today. So I have five brothers, two of which have passed away, and all five of them have and did have extreme addiction to drugs, alcohol, women, sex, I mean like extra meth, like I mean I have a pretty jacked up like family, like I’m not gonna like all five of them. And then there’s me, right, and I said to my girlfriend no, don’t get me wrong, I love a good vodka, club soda from here and there, but I so don’t get me wrong, right, like. But I said to my girlfriend not too long ago, I said I feel so grateful that that addiction passed me. How did it pass me, Tina? Like, how did that happen? I feel so grateful. And she looked at me stone cold and said are you kidding me?

Shari Teigman:

Exactly she said are you kidding me? These people have never seen your notebook collection. If they think you don’t have an addiction.

Amber Annette:

Well, yeah, she was like you’re the most addicted person to success I’ve ever met in my life. Like you are. Your addiction is success and I am so grateful for her saying that to me and at the same time, it has haunted me ever since she said it to me. I bet I think about it once a day, like what am I willing to like give up right? Like I think about, like what am I, you know, like drug addicts? Like they are literally willing to like give up everything to reach that level that they, you know, that high. And I feel like and sometimes I’m doing the same thing, I see people doing the same thing, and yet it’s for success. How is it any?

Shari Teigman:

different and this is, but it’s cause. It’s just transmuted Like human beings are, we are, and this is what I mean about reading our signs of like what do we need, what are we crave? How do we control it? There’s not one entrepreneur who has stepped off the employment road, who is not out of their mind. Semi, adhd, no attention span, big dreamer. Like we love this stuff. But like if we walked into a regular office I’d be medicated and it’s probably strapped to a chair for all the big ideas. But here it’s celebrated because we know how to use it, we know who to tell it to. Like if I told people in my old, regular life of how I grew up, what I do, where I go, what I do, they look at me like I have 10 heads. So I think it’s a self fulfilling prophecy of what we decide, if it’s a strength or a weakness. Yeah.

Amber Annette:

I don’t know yet Exactly.

Shari Teigman:

I mean, I feel like entrepreneurs burn out every 10 seconds, I feel like, is the statistic. So it’s not necessarily the healthiest way to go, but how we use our drive, our motivation, even our fear, is how we create our own cadence of what we create in the world. It’s a lot of why we’re bored a lot of the time because it is waiting for the next.

Amber Annette:

I just sometimes wish that I could bottle it. I mean, we started this episode with why don’t people? And when I look at myself, I’m like, why do I? Why do I keep going? What does like, how do I give that and transfer that to listeners and clients and my kids and my like, how?

Shari Teigman:

I can’t remember Amber, because I know you for so long, Like and your audience may not know this, so I mean you’ve been like this since you’re 17 years old.

Amber Annette:

Yes, maybe you’ve done this in everything that you do.

Shari Teigman:

And you were a young single mom. Like if you line up other girls who have had kids when you had your kids your first two kids. We don’t need to lay out what their lives look like, we know. So you decide there was something in you that decided at a young age with one baby, then two babies, like this is what my life is going to look like. In terms of whether it was government assistance, there’s nothing wrong with it. You went and started a career when you could hardly have time to go to the bathroom by yourself. So, like, you took this and spun it a long time ago. Now you’re living in the ripple effect of that decision. You made a very long time. Thank you, You’re welcome. So like. I want to bottle that. You know what I mean. Look, trust me, I take a dose of amber every day. If I could, I’m pretty damn accomplished myself. But like I’ve spent real time with you, not just calls, like you’ve come to my house, you’ve slept here, we’ve been in Florida together, like we’ve spent real friend time, not just business time. And you are remarkable in how you do anything, how you see the world, the kind of conversations you allow yourself to have, who you like to be around, what you like to think about. So it really comes down to most people think this is just like a tetanus shot. You get it once. It’s an active choice in every moment, in every argument, in every struggle to choose which way it’s going to go. And that is harder to learn because it takes a lot of personal responsibility that people don’t want to take.

Amber Annette:

I don’t know what to say. I’ve never left speechless, you know. So one of the things that was coming up for me when you were talking what you know, when we’re talking about success and going after it, one of the things that I want to talk about is that room of women that we’re talking about right. When you’re around other highly successful women, when you’re driven, you’re ambitious, you have big ideas, big goals, and then you get there or you almost get there, or you’re on your way there and you already start to think what’s next.

Shari Teigman:

You know, that’s also the addiction. The fulfillment loop is the next thing to talk about.

Amber Annette:

I feel like it’s something that we just there’s just not enough people that are like it’s not that you’re not unfulfilled, it’s not that you are fulfilled, it’s just there’s. Sometimes it’s like a curse and a blessing to have drive you, because it’s endless.

Shari Teigman:

So it’s not like, oh, I did that, let me sit down and throw myself a party. I mean, how many times I’ve been with you. You’ve launched, you’ve done unbelievably, I’ve done it, you’ve been with me in it and it’s like, man, I was okay, I don’t feel anything Next. It’s like that what the amount of work and love and care that went into it. We don’t even get the feedback loop of the good feedback loop either.

Amber Annette:

I reference it to like and this is so stupid because never, ever will I climb a mountain, but I reference you and I are not getting our hiking shoes that we keep talking about. I reference mountain climbing with it. Right, like I get to the top of these mountains that I see, I see them and I’m like I’m going to climb it, I’m going to conquer it. And then I do. I get to the top of this mountain and I’m like where’s my next mountain? I just want to get to the top. And I know so many other women are feeling like this too. Like when is it just going to be enough to be on my mountain and like sit, sit down and appreciate and just be good right there? I just haven’t found that yet.

Shari Teigman:

And listen when we don’t find it in our business, then our friends are not fulfilling. How many entrepreneur women have you spoken to like I have over the past 10 years? I work with both men and women. Their friends are boring. They no longer want to go out and hang out with their friends. Their family drives them crazy. Their partners no longer make sense. Then, like we have to slow down for everyone. And it’s this addiction to the speed where we don’t even know how to enjoy it. I have a lot of clients with very young children and I feel lucky that I did this when my kids were a little bit older, because all they want to do is work or play or create and their kids are waiting to play with them. And I’m like you’re missing these golden years with your children. They’re like yeah, I just had a great idea. Yeah, and it’s not an entrepreneurial person, it was not snuck their phone into the bathroom to quickly write something in notes.

Amber Annette:

when they had an idea, so that nobody saw her. I used to when Riker was little, you know, we’d put on a movie or whatever and I would sit with my notebook on the floor. I would be with him. You know he’s coloring, I’m coloring and writing down ideas that I would have. I mean, I’m grateful for those, that I was able to do both, but I also yeah, I mean there are a lot of people who are missing the reason why they’re probably trying to have their own business to begin with, absolutely. So one other thing that I want to talk about before I go into the and so now here’s what I’m really excited about is you haven’t listened to the podcast yet, so you don’t know what happens after we’re done with this interview part, which is super fun. So that’s like you’re about, yeah, so just sit tight for that girl.

Shari Teigman:

Take me there, baby. Where are we going?

Amber Annette:

But I want to have one. I want to have one more conversation and I want to know how do you get your clients to dream bigger. How do you or maybe your kids or people around you how do you get them to see a bigger vision than they’ve ever seen before?

Shari Teigman:

So for me the answer is twofold. Number one I use humor a lot because, as creatives and I struggle with this I’m the most stubborn creative person I know. So I know how to work myself, which means I know how to help clients. But when we get too caught in the how, as you said earlier then the dream is automatically smaller because we don’t know a bigger way to do things. But I am a big believer that it doesn’t have to hurt as much to get unstuck as it did to get stuck, and the humor is what loosens the glue for me. So when a client is coming and I can feel them all very tightly wound in what it needs to look like, and when it’s going to happen and I’m like, oh, we got to re-root here a bit, I move them a lot. Like I’ll play with language. I get very creative, I make a joke, I make a ridiculous analogy Like I did a whole analogy with my very high-powered male clients the other day of like a madam versus a cheap hooker and all of a sudden he’s cracking up and I got a lot more out of him in dream Like, okay, give me your madam idea, cool, give me your cheap hooker idea. And it’s just taking people out of the lens that they’re looking at and moving them to look at something from a different way. Since he doesn’t right now currently have a plan to be a madam nor hooker, that’s a safe place for him to play because it’s just pretend land for right. Then. So if we can say, okay, I know you don’t know how to do this, but if you did, let’s go play over here, and just what would the ideas be Once they’re out? Then someone has that inner recognition of oh my God, that just came out of me. I actually do know more and I’m not the coach who thinks she knows everything. I think my clients know much more than I do. My role is to help them open the windows to find what they have forgotten about themselves or maybe never identified yet. So it’s through humor and the curiosity thing I’m a big, you know those books when we were little. Choose your own adventure. So I like to create different avenues for people to be like don’t do it my way, because you’ll have this a lot as well. People will be like okay, I want my Maverick, I want this sherry, I want you can’t be a mini me. I can hardly be me half the days Like that’s what we’re learning here. But it’s choose your own adventure. What would be three different outcomes that could come from this? So if we have more options, just like with a toddler, there’s not a yes or a no, it’s red or green. I want blue. Great, at least you chose one. So I’m a big believer in the curiosity adventure side, as well as making it fun and playful, because no one doesn’t need more play in their life, and that’s the way we had our great ideas when we were little. Why would we try to do anything else now?

Amber Annette:

Because the place doesn’t work, because when we’re playful, we’re present. Exactly, this was like so good and like you said earlier, present with our now self.

Shari Teigman:

That little child gets to come and play. It’s not just a box anymore, it’s a spaceship. Well, I’m 49 and I don’t have any spaceships around me, so I need a lot of play. And because my brain is so creative, I can also make disasters like nobody else, because I’m using that same creativity to create anxiety and excuses in a business. I know that route. So, like all of that anxiety and excuse stuff and overwhelm is their creativity. I call it creative constipation. It’s just stuffed in there. They haven’t let it out in the way that works, so we’ve got a lot of sitting in that box, exactly. So if we let it out, then the real stuff comes out, what they really want to do, what they really want to say.

Amber Annette:

I’ve been on this huge game First. I’m obsessed with Game of Thrones, if you know anything about me. I just watched it for my third time and as you’re talking about being inside those boxes and she always calls herself the breaker of chains, I’m going to start calling myself the breaker of boxes. I love that. I love that. Speaking of your breaker of boxes, what if we introduced ourselves the way Daenerys Targaryen got introduced? Breaker of change, mother of dragons, queen of the rut, if we started doing that Same, I’m up for it. Yeah, let’s start. Let’s come up with, like, new intros for ourselves. I like it, because I think we need to bring that back. Breaker of boxes.

Shari Teigman:

It has been a long 10 years Amber. We’re ready for change, All right.

Amber Annette:

So now, in true of the business psychic fashion, here’s what’s going to go down. Oh boy, I’m going to tap in and I’m going to give you a business reading. I’m so sorry, I didn’t even know I was getting this. Yeah, so I’m going to tap in, I’m going to give you a business reading and then I’m going to ask you an important question.

Shari Teigman:

Before we do this, I just want the listeners to know that nothing Amber does scares me, because she was sitting in my living room and said your grandmother just walked in the room. So, like we, I’ve been down every room. My grandmother’s dead, by the way, I love her very much, for my grandmother and grandfather just strolled in to say hi to Amber in spirit while she was in my living room. So there’s nothing in the swimming can say to me that would scare me let’s go. Who’s in the room, baby?

Amber Annette:

You’ll see. You’ll see, all right, so let me tap in here. Oh, you are about to have your mind, okay, so this might scare you. Actually, I feel like 2024 is going, in the best possible way, be flipped upside down, like what you think you’re doing right now is not even close to especially, I would say, about this time next year what you’ll be doing. It is something I would almost say like completely different. But I don’t want you to think you’re not going to be like still in your gifts or in your like creative zone of genius, absolutely hands down. But there is something around March that is going to come to you that you are like holy sh, like it just changes the whole direction of your life in business. I think there might be a permanent move also happening around that same time. So there’s that. I feel like there is also something to do. The universe really wants you to like lean in to either I can’t tell if this is like more music, or there’s something about music, or maybe sound healing. So I feel like there’s something in that for you that can shift something within your body.

Shari Teigman:

Amazing, I’m in.

Amber Annette:

So we can, we just I want to talk about, I want you to lean into that, find that a little bit more. The other thing is, I’m really feeling like and this is not something I don’t think I’ve ever saw for anybody, especially in this podcast, before but it you have to trust me when I tell you right now you have to start doing breathwork as soon as we are done with this call today. There is something absolutely like releasing and healing that happens to your body on a physical level when you start doing it. That is going to bring on a version of you that you had no idea was like you. There is like things have been good up to this point. It is going to be like revolutionary, revolutionary, amazing. I’m in, thank you yes. I feel like you might have resistance to doing things for yourself right now, for your own business, since you are highly connected with this UK coaching company and you have a roster full of amazing clients. But you have to write.

Shari Teigman:

You have to write. I didn’t tell her before, so this is not staged, but book number one is coming out for my 10th anniversary. I haven’t started writing it. It’s been mapped out for four years and so I’m starting. I got a special keyboard and everything that is coming, so it’s about to start being written. Interestingly, I was going to start on Monday, so now I’m really going to start on Monday.

Amber Annette:

Not only should you start on Monday, but I am going to give you a formal invitation here on the podcast to come and stay with me and finish it. When you were talking about the cabin and the water, no, I have clean water. I don’t have dirty cabin water. But I saw you in my kitchen getting water.

Shari Teigman:

Well, I love it. It’s been in my kitchen. I feel like I need to turn in your.

Amber Annette:

I’m dead serious. But if you like, I’m going to show you like, look at these. Like, I mean, like the it is, it is just beautiful here. So come and stay with me and write some of that book.

Shari Teigman:

Thank you my love. I would love it.

Amber Annette:

All right, are you ready for the question?

Shari Teigman:

I’m ready for the question. Kind of looking your face, I’m not sure.

Amber Annette:

My eyes are closed because I’m totally tapped in. If you could connect to anyone in spirit, whether it be a past loved one, a celebrity, anyone, and receive a message from them, who would it be?

Shari Teigman:

It’s always my great mother.

Amber Annette:

They have both crossed over. Is that correct? Yes, okay, so I have both of them here. One talks in like a very, like a very strong accent to me, like that’s the one, yeah, okay, that’s the one, okay, it’s what.

Shari Teigman:

She’s Polish.

Amber Annette:

Oh, my God, was she a good cook. Did you do you cook? Did you learn to cook from her? Yeah, okay, so she shows me like your kitchen. She is like never not with you when you are in your kitchen. So first and foremost, she also kind of comes to like her, her, her neck. Can you tell me why she would come to her neck? Is there a neck?

Shari Teigman:

or something. She was a Holocaust survivor and so I have her ring from. We don’t have a lot of stuff from that time. We lost our whole family. So there was one necklace that she wore and a ring and it’s crazy to say, because my mom gifted me both and I wear the ring whenever I go on stage. It’s like my Wonder Woman cuff. But just recently, on my last UK trip was a few weeks ago I had just this feeling. I’ve never worn the necklace. I just took it out about a month ago and started wearing it and it’s in my bag. I haven’t worn it since but unbelievable, it’s very heavy. So it was just like this presence on my chest and she had a lot of PTSD obviously and anxiety and breathing was hard for her. So she would like hold herself a lot and like try to catch her breath. So your, your hand is sitting where her hand used to go and the necklace was a long necklace so it was like sit right here. So her hand was always on the necklace, like that.

Amber Annette:

I think it’s also really interesting. I brought up breath work for you.

Shari Teigman:

Yeah, 100%.

Amber Annette:

She’s so proud of you, but you, you still have, you still have a lot of miles in front of you. She’s with you every single mile. I feel like she had to walk a lot in her life, yeah, and then after life she could still work with you.

Shari Teigman:

She was tinier than I am. If she was up to my shoulder, I’m four left for those who don’t know.

Amber Annette:

Yes, I think you’re the old, I’m five one, and I think you’re the only person in my life, other than my nine year old son, who is like shorter than me.

Shari Teigman:

For now I feel like Riker’s going to pass us both very quickly Very soon, very soon.

Amber Annette:

Oh, my goodness, I’m glad you’re crying. It wouldn’t be an episode of the business psychic if I didn’t have my guest crying. So thank you, thank you and thank you for being here. This was absolutely magical. I’m going to share one more thing with my listeners. So this is something new I’ve started adding. I want you to go find your sign, and this was something really unique that I wanted to start giving during the podcast. You know, every week finding a sign from the universe that you’re aligned, you’re moving in the right direction, you’re on the right path. We all want those like moments of evidence, and this week you can’t see it now, but behind Sherry, I have been drawn to this white stuffed heart the whole time, and so my I want you to go find your sign this week, which is a white heart, and when you see it, own it, know it’s for you, know you are aligned, know you are heading in the right direction and the universe is totally supporting you and all of your dreams and in all of your magic. So until then, go see your sign, see you next week. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit, in turn of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic full sister.

Shari Teigman

Shari Teigman

Performance Coach and Creative Business Strategist

Shari is a performance coach and creative business strategist who teaches the Maverick Method to become the optimal you for your optimal life and business.

She works with high level CEOs, entrepreneurs and startups to unleash their inner Maverick and to remove the bottlenecks that keep them stuck and small to catapult into the next level of well-being and success in all areas.

Part loving mama part tough love, Shari walks with you to help you change why you don’t stick to what you commit to, teach you a new way to face your future and shift your mindset for your own unique blueprint to create what you want in the next level of your business and life.
In business for 9 years, Shari works with private clients and now runs the coaching department for one of the biggest sales and marketing training companies in the UK.

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Journey into Creative Freedom: A Conversation with Allegra Huston

Journey into Creative Freedom: A Conversation with Allegra Huston

by | Sep 12, 2023 | Podcast

Have you ever gazed at a blank page, pen in hand, only to be crippled by self-doubt? Today, we unravel this creative conundrum in our heart-to-heart with the bestselling author and creative entrepreneur, Allegra Huston. From her initial struggles with self-judgment to her eventual breakthrough, Allegra’s journey to finding her authentic writing voice is nothing short of inspiring. She shares how she navigated her way out of the realm of perfection and embraced a free-flowing, raw creativity to pen down her bestselling memoir, Love Child.

In this episode, we’re not just talking about writing, but about writing with confidence, and Allegra shares some incredible techniques to do just that. Discover, along with us, the power of reading your work aloud, using writing prompts, and the unique concept of ‘Green Light’ activities. We explore how these can trigger your imagination, tap into your creative energy, and help you create original, authentic content. Playfulness with words, it turns out, is just as important as simplicity in tools, and you might be surprised how handy a spiral notebook can be!

As we move deeper into our discussion, we dive into Allegra’s portfolio of creative projects and their immense impact not just on her, but those around her. We highlight how accessible and affordable writing can be as a form of self-expression, capable of reducing judgment and infusing joy. Allegra even gives us a sneak peek into her upcoming ventures including potential writing retreats, collaborations, and her dream of connecting talented writers with a global audience. So buckle up and get ready to unleash the creative genius within you through the power of writing!

 

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Amber Annette: Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, Amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette and I’m your host Today. I am beyond thrilled to introduce to you the fabulous Allegra Huston. Listen to this bio. She is the co-founder of imaginative storm writing workshops. The co-author of the book and course Write what you Don’t Know 10 Steps to Writing with Confidence, energy and Flow. The author of the bestselling memoir Love Child A Memoir of Family Lost and Found. Author of the novel A Stolen Summer. Author of how to Edit and Be Edited. And co-author of how to Read for an Audience. I am beyond thrilled, allegra, to have you on today’s episode where we are going to jam on all things being a creative entrepreneur and being an intuitive writer. Welcome.

Allegra Huston: Thank you. I’m beyond thrilled to be on your podcast and so.

Amber Annette: I’ve done a couple of episodes on writing before, but never with an author. It’s been with people that. Do you know more of that creative writing for business, where I mean you just have a variety of different ways that you see people being able to use writing? But I want to kind of start with your journey and have you tell me and tell our audience about when you first fell in love with writing.

Allegra Huston: Okay, this is the answer that I think maybe is going to surprise you, because I always hated writing. I hated writing, I hated having to write thank you letters and I never kept a journal. I loved reading. I read books, books, you know, novels got me through a rather difficult childhood and then I went to university and studied English and then became a publisher and was editorial director and working with writers and I would, you know, at that point, be writing kind of, you know, flap copy for hardback books, right, or the back cover copy. But I always found writing really difficult, I think, because you know, I was incredibly judgmental of myself. You know, the inner critic was not just a critic. The inner critic was this you know, ogre with a machete, basically destroying my confidence at every turn. So I could always help other people make their writing better, but when I tried to write myself and I wrote a couple of magazine articles and things like that, I was completely just seized up with. You know, not even consciously, you know, I thought I can do this, I know how to do this, but I would try and write well, and everything I wrote was stiff and stilted and pompous oh my God, so pompous, just horrible. So it was my dirty secret because I was an editor and then I was working in the film business and working as a script development person and writing screenplays myself, which were also stiff and stilted and pompous. And then, even up to that point, I met my creative collaborator, james Navian, and started teaching writing workshops. And I still was carrying this dirty secret around that I didn’t enjoy writing myself because I was so critical of myself. And then some of them I managed to write a 1500, I woke up one morning and realized how incredibly grateful I was, and continue to be the one I am, for having had the two amazing fathers that I had. And that’s a whole other story. That’s the story of my mom, more love child, one of. And I wrote, I decided I actually did want to write about that. So that was the first time I really had a piece of sort of you know writing that would go out into the world as itself. You know, not a screenplay, right that somebody else is gonna.

Amber Annette: Yeah.

Allegra Huston: Piece of writing that would go out into the world, that I actually genuinely wanted to write. And so I wrote 1500 words, for it was for Harper’s Bazaar, uk, because I happened to know I actually happened to know the travel editor. But she hooked me up with the features editor and after that came out, three people said to me you should write a book. And I thought I had said everything I wanted to say in 1500 words, but it turned out that I hadn’t. And so I thought okay, right, I will write a book, let me have. I should have a go at this. But I was still stuck in this rational mind I have to do this right line of thinking. I understand. I made an outline. You’re supposed to make an outline, and when I was a you know editor in a publishing company, people would present an outline and a couple of sample chapters. So I knew that was how you do it. So I made an outline and I wrote a couple of sample chapters, but they I didn’t know where to start. Oh it like what are my sample chapters? I don’t know where to start. That’s not working. Okay, I’ll start somewhere. That’s definitely not the beginning. So I wrote the chapters. In my God, when I read them back over again, oh, it made me cringe and almost every publisher every publisher in London and almost every publisher in New York turned it down. And later I could completely see why. But I did get a contract and I started writing it. And that was when I finally realized and I’ve already been teaching writing workshops with Nave for a couple of years at this point I finally realized why don’t I just take my own advice? Why don’t I stop trying to do it right, stop trying to write well and just simply write for 10 minutes at a time about anything? Okay, I’ll write about that Thanksgiving. I’ll write about my crazy Italian grandpa standing on his head, completely out of order. I’ll write about that house. I’ll write about the day my sister saw the suitcase that’s had AH on it and said oh, how great, you’ve got my suitcase. And the bottom fell out of my world because it was the one thing I had left of mom. I thought she had put my initials on the suitcase. But, they were my sister’s initials first she was like everything I had had been my sisters before me. But anyway, point being, I started following this method, this strategy it wasn’t really a method yet, but it was a strategy that Navi had brought to me when he asked me to start teaching writing workshops with him of setting a timer for 10 minutes using a writing prompt and just see what comes out. And that worked, because that’s how I got my own voice onto the page. My writing stopped sounding like I was trying to write well and started sounding like me. And okay, it was a mess and okay, it was disconnected and okay, it was just bits and pieces, but at least it sounded like me. And that’s when I learned that, to begin with, what you need are the authenticity and the surprise. You can always add the structure and the polish and the grammar and whatever else. The coherence later, what you can’t have later, are the spark and the surprise, and that is what our whole write. What you don’t know, book and course.

Amber Annette: That’s what our actual method now is based on, and so that’s where I wanna start digging, like right away. The first question that I have so I’m sure our listeners have is how, how, how do you find your own authentic voice when writing so that you don’t go through that imposter syndrome? When you were talking about the beginning of your journey, writing, I mean it’s such a vulnerable process. I mean writing is about as raw and as real as it can possibly get for me and I take a lot of like time and I wait for the right level of inspiration before I do any of my writing. And some of my writing is more like email marketing to my audience, but it’s always weaved with inspiration. But, man, it takes a lot to get to the point to hit, post or send or publish. And when I was listening to that word, vulnerable, just vulnerable writing. So what would be some ways that you could tell our audience, like, how do you get to that point of having an authentic and vulnerable voice?

Allegra Huston: Well, I think the first thing and I’m speaking completely from personal experience here it’s like I’ve made every mistake in the book. I have suffered every writer’s block, every doubt, every fear of vulnerability in the book, so that kind of. I think that in the end, of course, that’s been incredibly useful because I can understand how other people feel and when one is at that sort of point. So this is what I do. I don’t write, I generate material. Oh sure, if I’m not writing, then I don’t need to write. Well, but I can just generate material, and generate good material. And what is generating good material? Feel like you feel that little spark. You feel that spark of energy in your body when you’re generating good material that feels like you and you don’t worry about it being writing yet. Yeah, so to me that is how you start, because the first thing is to actually start to get your writing to feel like you. One of the other great techniques that the imaginative storm method. As we’ve developed it, we’ve realized the value We’ve always done this but didn’t quite realize why but the value of reading what you write out loud, either right after you’ve written it or generated it or, as a last thing, before you send it out into the world, Because when you read something on the page, you’re critical. you’re back in school, you’re in high school right. You know there’s gonna be red marks on that page, or you’re reading a novel and you have to critique it, or whatever. You know, but you’re in that critical, judging, rational, inner critic mind. That’s what’s leading the caravan here. But when you read something out loud, you can’t change anything. If you’re reading, you can’t stop to change it because now you’re not reading. So it keeps you in the flow of what you wrote, whether it’s totally raw material or something that’s fairly finished. But what happens is that when those words that you put on the page page or screen, you know whatever those words are now being made being brought alive, they’ve got breath and warmth from your voice and, as you know, as you speak them aloud and it doesn’t need to be anybody else in the room, it doesn’t matter they’re making patterns on the air. You’re actually affecting the world. The physics of the room you’re in are not the same as they were before you started speaking. Now, this is a kind of I feel that. I feel that it seems like a small thing but it’s actually a really, really big thing because it gives it starts to give you the confidence that your voice, written and now read aloud, can make a difference in the world and a difference to you. Because what happens is when you come to some combination of words, some image, some idea that you like, you think, oh, that’s kind of cool, you know where did that come from? You get a little dopamine rush in your body. Your body goes mm-hmm, yes, I do like that, and of course it wants more, yeah. So this is one of the ways in which you become familiar and kind of tender with your own voice. You know it’s sort of in a funny way, like a parent with a child. You know it’s not like you think your kid is perfect, but you love it for what it can be I’m saying it, but he or she, whatever, for what your child can be, and you love your child for their faults, not even despite their faults. You know those faults might be strengths in some other fashion if we can just develop that. And so that’s the relationship you start to get with your own voice when you read your work aloud. But it doesn’t happen if you leave it lying, kind of, you know, unanimated and comatose on the page. Yeah, so that’s the absolute secret.

Amber Annette: Are you familiar? As you’re talking, I’m reminded of the quote right high edit sober. Have you ever heard that before? No, I don’t know who said that. It actually. I think the quote was right drunk edit sober. I changed it to right high edit sober because that’s what it feels like when I write. I get almost this high, it becomes like something just becomes, it just starts coming. It comes out with the ethers, the universe, like whatever just comes to me.

Allegra Huston: It comes out of your imagination, which has Absolutely, and isn’t it interesting? I mean there is Well.

Amber Annette: is it coming from my imagination or from my intuition? That’s a great question.

Allegra Huston: Well, I think that there are a lot of words for something that is roughly the same thing, and there’s no need for us to rationally label what aspect of this. We could call it the universe, we could call it the collective unconscious, we could call it your intuition, we could call it imagination or all of it. Yeah, exactly, I mean, I think your imagination is your intuition. It is hooked into something. Whether that is whatever we wanna call it, it doesn’t really matter. For me, the point is that it’s not your rational mind, it’s not your critical, judging, egocentric, frightened, anxious, ambitious mind. So, when you are drunk, like the author of your quote or high or whatever that’s like, why people wanna get drunk and high right Is because they wanna shut that mind up. And there are ways to do it substance free as well, which is what we’re about. I mean, hey, you could do this on mushrooms if you want. But what we have found?

Amber Annette: is-? Well, that would be an interesting writing retreat, Exactly right, maybe we can organize it.

Allegra Huston: You can come to Taos.

Amber Annette: I’m in. I’m in on that one. I’m curious.

Allegra Huston: But anyway, point being, you can, when you use writing prompts, even if you’re working on something very specific, you can use totally random writing prompts and your rational mind, that part that always wants to be driving the bus is basically well, I don’t know, what am I supposed to do with that? That doesn’t have anything to do with the story I wanna tell. Great, because now your imagination can go. Well, let me see what I could do with it. Yeah, so it’s a sort of there’s a similar, it’s a similar action and I’m sure you I mean from what I know of your business coaching you’re basically doing a similar process. Yeah, definitely, getting out of like all those anxieties and judgments and what ifs and saying just- so I call those green lights activities right.

Amber Annette: So I don’t know if where you lived when you were a kid, did you ever play like red light, green light I think so.

Allegra Huston: I lived all over. It’s a long story.

Amber Annette: The concept of the game right is in class. We would always play it at a gym class and all of the class would stand at one end of the room and whoever was the instructor, the red light, green light person would stand at the other and the goal of the game was to get to that person as quickly and as swiftly as possible. So the person would stand there and they would say green light and you would run as fast as you could to that person and then when they said red light, you had to freeze and it was who just ever got to the other side as one, whoever got there first. And I love that concept for manifesting, and not just for manifesting, but from a mindset perspective, of when we actually give ourselves the space to do green light activities, like for me. It could be coloring, it could be walking, it could be creative visualizations or meditations, whatever. It is right Like I have my own list when I do that. I find it really fascinating that that’s when those ideas come in for me to write. That’s when those activities come in. It’s in that green light space where the universe can, your imagination, it can get through. There’s nothing in your way, there’s nothing standing in between you and that new creative divine download, and that’s what we’re talking about here. We’re using different language to explain. Yes, in order to receive at your highest level, you have to be in an energy that matches that type of frequency. And when you do that, man, it’s amazing what can start to come in.

Allegra Huston: It’s true, and the wonderful thing about it is that or traditionally writers call that the muse I’m waiting for the muse to speak to me, but a lot of them would wait and wait, and wait and wait and the muse wouldn’t come. And I’m sure you know we don’t call it the muse now, but that’s what’s called writer’s block, right? So wonderful thing that we’ve realized is actually you can call that energy up. You can put yourself in that green light frame of mind for whatever activity. It doesn’t have to be writing at will easily. It’s actually not hard. You just need the technique to do it. And you can do it in 10 minutes, which is what’s so lovely. I mean, all of our writing exercises are. The longest one we do is 10 minutes. So why? Because if it’s only 10 minutes, you’re not trying to write well. You only wrote it in 10 minutes. How could it possibly be good? It’s completely ridiculous. And you don’t have.

Amber Annette: of course, you end up writing much better in 10 minutes than you’ve done in an hour, as lots of people and I bet they write much more than just 10 minutes, because I know for myself if I just sit down with like a prompt and sometimes it’s just the act of getting started can create the magic and the momentum that we’re looking for. It’s just like going for me going to the gym. The biggest battle in going to the gym is getting my gym shoes on.

Allegra Huston: That’s it Once, I’m there.

Amber Annette: I love it. I’m like this is the best day of my life. I feel amazing, I look amazing. I leave there happy, motivated to come again. The hardest part is putting the gym shoes and I think, as a writer, the hardest part is just having the sacred space to actually sit down and start writing.

Allegra Huston: It just you don’t need to need the sacred space because that’s another thing that people think. That stops you. It’s like oh, I don’t have. Stephen King tells me I have to have my own space If I’m gonna write. Julia Cameron, who wrote the Artist’s Way, and my creative collaborator, james Navey, worked a lot with Julia Cameron, so there’s quite a lot of Artist’s Way DNA in what we do. Julia wrote lots of her books at red lights, sitting in the car waiting for the light to turn on.

Amber Annette: I write in the shower.

Allegra Huston: Yeah, exactly, you can write it while you’re waiting in the grocery store line, because you don’t have to be quote unquote writing. Well, you’re just generating material and as you play with, you’re standing in the checkout line at the grocery store and there’s all kinds of words all around you on all kinds of packaging. Start putting them together and that generative material. You know it’s like a muscle. You stretch and strengthen your imagination the more that you do that. And then when you come to write whatever you kind of really wanna write quote unquote, you have that ability to just drop into silliness. And when you can be playful with words, that relieves all of that oh my God, I gotta get it right, I’ve gotta get it right School kind of thing, and when you are playful, that’s where the surprises come from. That’s where the originality comes from, because nobody plays the same, so that’s where your authenticity on the page comes from, when you can be playful with words.

Amber Annette: Yeah, it’s also fun you know, you do it again. I’m obsessed with writing. I write every day. I mean, if you could see my office right now, I mean, and I’m very still much a paper and pen girl like I still hand write everything and that’s just my process.

Allegra Huston: I try, that’s really important.

Amber Annette: It’s really important for you, for our audience can’t our listeners, of course, can’t see this but I’m folding up a notebook and this is my book. I mean, this is where it’s like broke.

Allegra Huston: And can I? say that is the perfect imaginative storm write what you don’t know notebook. I wrote my entire. I generated the material. I will rephrase the material for my memoir, love Child in 10 minute chunks in notebooks that looked exactly like that. So I’m gonna describe what that notebook looks like, because I think this is you have, just because you are, you know, in tune. You came up with, you know the easy ways to do this thing right by hand and write in a cheap spiral notebook. That’s really cheerful looking, ambers is. It has pink stripes and shiny pink polka dots on the pink stripes. Okay, perfect, I want notebooks like that. You don’t have to write well in a notebook like that. It’s a fun notebook, it’s lively. You wanna pick it up? It’s not intimidating, I mean if you’re-.

Amber Annette: I cannot write at my MacBook. I have not wrote anything. The only time I ever write anything on my MacBook is typically if it’s an email response. Everything I write is handwritten. It’s just. It’s just my process.

Allegra Huston: There’s a reason why you’ve come to that. And also you’ve got this lovely, quite large page, but you know not college rules. It has to be wider spaces, as college rule makes you have to squeeze in between the lines. They’re too tight. But if you’re a writer, okay. People are like, hmm, what am I gonna give you for Christmas? I’ll give you a.

Amber Annette: Really beautiful notebook. Oh yeah, that’s what my kids get me every year. 15 of those Can you write in Gel pen oh yeah, Gel pens notebooks you can’t.

Allegra Huston: I can’t write in beautiful notebooks because I feel like I’m gonna mess them up. I don’t wanna write badly in a beautiful notebook, so it puts me back in that. Oh, I have to write well. Frame of mind. So I have all Are you still?

Amber Annette: that way.

Allegra Huston: Oh yeah, absolutely, let me try to use some of my Let me use a little I also wanna talk about why not to write on a computer because you brought that up too Because, again, you see it, it looks like writing, it’s writing. You can easily edit, you can change it, you can go back, which seems like a wonderful thing. But now, okay, immediately you’re back in your critical judging mind and you’re out of the flow. Yeah, there is a reason to write by hand, and it doesn’t matter. If you can’t read your writing, type it up after. Immediately after you wrote it, you can type it up, and if you don’t read that word you imagine properly, your imagination will stick some other word in there. It doesn’t matter, you don’t have to. It’s not the Cuban missile crisis. You don’t have to be totally faithful. Yes, the point is anything that will stop you judging or editing or criticizing or thinking how do I do this right? What should I do next?

Amber Annette: Yeah. Will it stop you. So I wanna give. This is the invitation for you.

Allegra Huston: You have pressure points. Do you know this? You have pressure points on the outside of your hand. Oh, they move across the paper and the edge of your hand touches the paper very slightly. Those pressure points also give you a dopamine release.

Amber Annette: Hmm, that’s interesting, and that goes very well Bibi.

Allegra Huston: Reminds us of being a kid and being creative and drawing with crayon on paper. So again we’re in a. You know it puts you in a happy place. Very interesting. It’s way better in a happy place than in a judging place.

Amber Annette: Well, and I will say, if I’m in not a good mood typically which isn’t very often I’m very, very grateful for that. But if I’m in a funk, writing will typically be my go-to practice to get me out of my funk, and sometimes it’s just the practice of I call my practice coffee with the universe and that’s where I do my morning. Whatever you wanna call it, your morning pages, my journaling, my diary it’s kind of a combination of all of those things together and I’ve been doing that for and since I, I mean my life has just changed dramatically and I go to that practice every single time I’m in a funk and it’s what I mean it’s got me through some dark days. Writing is, in so many ways I feel like, kind of saved my life. I mean, you know, we haven’t talked about your past. I’ve talked a little bit about my past on this podcast, but I didn’t have a great childhood either. But I would write fantasy stories. I would write, you know, I would make up stories. I would make up, create. You know, fantasy and creativity has always just been part of who I am, and so those stories got me through some really dark times as a child and writing. I’m still grateful for the practice of it because it gets me, even when I’m having a bad day, man coffee with the universe, I’m out of it in a short amount of time.

Allegra Huston: So we have a prompt it’s in the second session of write what you don’t know the book and there’s a self-paced online course that’s on Teachable and we have a prompt in there. That’s I effing hate. We call it. It’s ranting. That whole session is about ranting. But when you really let go and rant about something that you effing hate like you know I’ve done you know roses with the thorns cut off, or manicure salons, or the lines in the Walmart parking lot I did a really good one about that you start laughing at your bad mood, and laughing, of course, is the antidote to anything.

Amber Annette: Everything right. Yeah, it really. I agree with you that the laughter frequency can bring to you anything you want. It really can, including new ideas, including creativity, so for sure. So, in all of this, in all of your success, tell me, all of these projects that you have been able to bring to the world, what are you most proud of creating?

Allegra Huston: This book and the course actually maybe the course, more than the book of write what you don’t know. Well, I’m proud of it because I really think that we’ve created Nave and I have created a method that nobody has quite done this before. We didn’t set out to take wisdom from various different writing teachers. We set out to formulate the wisdom that we’ve accumulated over decades and working apart and together. But there is no other book or course that combines both a method and inspiration and the practicality of 60, or however many it is writing prompts. So I’m proud that we’ve actually brought something new into the world and, more importantly, that that thing is, I believe, has the potential to be incredibly useful to kind of basically millions of people. We’ve been doing we’ve had our writers group every Saturday now for over two and a half years and people who arrive and say, well, I’m not a writer, I’m just here because my girlfriend asked me to come, or my mother, my kid or whatever they say that doing this has enriched their lives, it nourishes your spirit, because when you write from this very open, exploratory, surprise me, mindset, you notice things, your awareness becomes expanded, you start to understand yourself better, you understand the people in your life better, so everything that reduces judgment in your life basically makes you a happier person. So this is a practice that does that, so it’s very useful, I believe. I mean, I know this myself. I’m the poster child for this method as a writer, so I know how useful it is for writers. But what I have seen, which I didn’t really know until a couple of years ago, is the incredible benefits that it has brought to people who have no ambitions to be writers, who you know, maybe people who write as a practice, not aiming for publication, which is a very valuable thing or but people who simply this is the only you know they write for an hour or a week in our writing group and they won’t miss it for the world. So to be able to bring this easy, enjoyable, joyful approach to creativity and writing is one of the cheapest forms of creativity there is. You don’t need to buy paints or canvas, or you know basketry equipment or yarn or you know anything like that. You don’t need to have a garden, you know it’s a very accessible, easy, quick, affordable form of creativity, and I think human beings are creative creatures. We need to feel that, even if you know, even if that’s not our day job. You know, our day job may be with numbers and business and whatever, and that may be vitally important also in supporting whatever the creative side of it is. But the creative side is also vitally important in supporting the numbers and business side, because that’s what makes us feel, that’s what gives us joy, rather than achievement, satisfaction, ambition kind of. That’s a different kind of happiness, but that heart happiness, that sense of self-realization I’ve just said that as if I’d somehow coined the term, but it is you are, you know of yourself actually being there, not anybody else’s idea of you, not what you’re supposed to be, but just you. That puts you in a very powerful position to do whatever it is you want to do, whether it’s right.

Amber Annette: So much more than writing.

Allegra Huston: Yeah, bring a product out into the world or a service out into the world or, you know, create some other kind of difference in the world. Maybe you’re an activist of some kind, but you need that basis within yourself and, as I say, until a few years ago I didn’t realize that what we had actually had that value to it, as well as simply the writing value.

Amber Annette: Well, I can promise you I’m assuming it’s on Amazon. I’m hoping it’s on Amazon, it is reader 65, razor I have a beautiful collection of books about writing that I cannot wait to grab yours and add it to mine. I mean that, and I’m super excited for our audience to grab it too. It’s right what you don’t know. And it’s a book, it’s a method and a course, and I cannot wait to dive more into that and it’s all of the things that you’re creating the course isn’t.

Allegra Huston: Obviously the course isn’t on Amazon, it’s on Teachable. But if you go to imaginativesstormcom that’s our method, it’s called the imaginatives storm method You’ll find links to the course, to the book and to the workshops that we teach in person, both live on Zoom and live in person.

Amber Annette: Perfect, and we’re also gonna leave a bunch of notes inside, or a bunch of links to your books and your website inside of the notes section of the podcast. So I just this was a fantastic conversation. I love having creative entrepreneurs on here, and I just hope that our audience takes something away from this that can inspire and spark them to have their own, their own writing practice, because, I don’t know, sometimes I really believe like writing has saved my life in so many ways. So, and I just appreciate you taking the time to be here with us so now we’re recording this episode in July, the end of July, and Allegra has still not seen or has not listened to any of the podcasts yet, so she doesn’t know what’s about to be unfolded in front of her here. So, in true the business psychic fashion, here’s how we wrap up our show. I am going to give you, I’m gonna tap in here and give you some insight, some psychic insight, of what I see and sense for your business for, I don’t know, maybe the next six to 12 months, and then I’m gonna ask you a super important question and we are gonna wrap up. So are you ready? I’m ready, all right, so I just need kind of a second here. Okay, so, okay. So the first thing that I’m hearing is the word improv, and I’m not sure if this is something you already do or have done before, but maybe it’s something you’ve done before, because I feel like the universe is kind of showing me like dust this, like kind of dust, it off the shelf kind of thing, and it’s improv writing, an improv writing class, versus like an improv acting class. But this is an improv writing class that I see you hosting and I see you doing it in two different ways. Number one, I see you doing it like an online masterclass or something along those lines. But number two is I see people starting to hire you to come to their own retreats, to their retreats or other high level workshops with other writers, where it is like one of the go-to, like in-person experiences for the improv writing. So I’m not sure if that’s something you’ve ever done before or have thought about doing, but I love it and the energy behind it is really good and I feel like it kind of pushes you out of your comfort zone a little bit. So there’s something about that. The second thing that I really am feeling for you is like a soul writing retreat where it’s maybe taking, and this feels like it’s something just you hosting. I love your business partner. For you he feels amazing. But this feels like something intimate for you, something deeper, something more expansive, that you can really spend some time with I don’t know between six and 10 women in this. It just feels like a super cool vibe. I would say like I’m gonna go Italy. I’m gonna say Italy because that’s just what I heard. So I feel like there’s something in that space for you that can just set your heart and soul on fire. I mean, it definitely feels profitable, but it’s more what it does talk about like a green light activity. I need you to like, I really need you to sit with that vision, because it is a way I am seeing you shine that I feel like you’ve never had the opportunity to shine before. And then the third thing is I do see some new collaborations coming Now. Whether that be tied to the improv writing, I don’t think so. I think there’s a new collaboration coming for you. It feels like around November this collaboration is going to lead to a collaborative book effort. That is like the power of writing something in that genre of and it’s you’ve got some great energy of what’s about to come and what’s kind of unfolding here over the next six to 12 months, but a bigger one that me, a bigger one that I’m not. This is a bigger one. I feel like you are also being invited to revisit publishing, or co-investing in a new publishing maybe a publisher that’s wanting to sell there’s something like that that’s gonna be coming, I would say February of 2024. And you need to say yes to the opportunity when it comes. It is a yes, even though on paper it might look like a no. Analytically it might look like a no, profit and loss, it might look like a no, but I am telling you it is a yes. You are going to buy it at a low and you are gonna like turn it into a high or at least be a part of somebody who does at least be an investor in it, something along those lines. Because I think there’s something that’s missing right now from your business, which is you have such an innate eye for talent, talented and gifted writers, and I just feel like you have the right connections and the right amount of mentoring in you and the right amount of magic to bring all of that together to really bring some gifted and talented writers to this world. That might have went unseen.

Allegra Huston: Okay, well, thank you. Some of those I already recognize, like the collaboration in November about the power of writing. I know what that is. That’s amazing, that I definitely know. And, of course, improv writing that’s one of the words that we’ve used to do. I mean that is what we’re doing. It’s absolutely improv. You don’t know what you’re gonna write. You set a timer for 10 minutes, you give yourself a writing prompt and let’s see what comes out. So it is improv. We didn’t use that word because I think we found that there were other people using it or something, and so we wanted to keep to the words that were authentic to the 20 years that we’ve spent doing this. But it is absolutely what we do. Very cool. So yeah, and going to other people, sort of parachuting into other people’s retreats this would be really fun. I mean, I do my own. I teach a memoir five day workshop in.

Amber Annette: Nova.

Allegra Huston: Scotia. I just did one in May and the next one is gonna be October 2024. October next year, but I think we’re gonna be doing one. Navi and I, together are gonna be doing one in Taos, here in Taos, new Mexico, where I live, next April. So we haven’t set the dates for that, but we’re working with this beautiful old bed and breakfast which you know all a number of writers have lived there DH Lawrence. Oh cool and it’s this beautiful nine room bed and breakfast. So, and also, when you said six to what, did you say six to 10 women? Absolutely All of our workshops max out at 10, sometimes at eight, yeah.

Amber Annette: And.

Allegra Huston: I do work writing workshops.

Amber Annette: There’s an intimacy, for sure. I could feel that.

Allegra Huston: And it’s important to you know to feel when you’re generating raw material. It’s important to feel safe with the people that you’re in the room with and it’s not possible to feel that, however wonderful 20 people are, there’s just too many people.

Amber Annette: Yes, yes, I agree, I love to keep. I host retreats also and I love to keep them as intimate as possible to make the biggest impact as possible. We should hang you and I should do one together. Sounds never, I agree, we’ll have an offline conversation for sure. Okay, are you ready?

Allegra Huston: for the question. I’m ready for the question. Hit me.

Amber Annette: If you could connect to anybody in spirit, a past loved one, a celebrity, anybody at all that has crossed over and receive a message from them, who would it be? My mother, okay. So I’m gonna tap in here and I’m gonna connect with her, and so the first thing that she presents to me and I get this image often from our past loved ones that are women, whether it be our mothers, our grandmothers, great grandmothers, ancestors but she presents this beautiful rose to you, allegra. So I don’t know if that’s something that you’ve ever connected with her or sensed or seen from her, but from here for sure and going forward, I want you to really feel the energy and her spirit around you. Whenever you encounter, anytime you encounter, roses. It’s just a beautiful, beautiful feminine energy that she sends. And there is she, just. She shows me the image of like taking your face and kind of cupping it in her hands, except it’s the face of you when you were a child, and she is just showing me how just precious you, just how that’s her word that she uses just how precious you were to her and there was so much that she didn’t get to say and that you didn’t get to do. But she has been. She has been your guardian angel. She’s showing me like she’s been your wings in times that you didn’t know that she was your wings and you’ve never been in the shadow to her ever, she says. You’ve never been in the shadow, so I don’t know what that means or if that means something special to you but, she yes, I just got that. Just a beautiful energy around her. So I don’t know if she passed when you were quite young I was four, you were four Okay, and she shows me when you like, she shows me you coloring. Do you remember? On the floor it feels like a blank piece of paper and did you? I mean, most little girls do. That’s not an uncommon image, but and it just feels to me. She’s showing me like all these different acts. It’s almost like this quick timeline of your life, from this point where you were a little girl coloring on the ground all the way till now, like she’s always, always been there, always.

Allegra Huston: Can I share, and if you don’t have time, obviously you’ll cut it out, but can I share with you this extraordinary writing prompt that I was given as a gift came totally out of the blue. A woman named Erica Heller, who’s the daughter of Joseph Heller, who wrote Catchment 22, emailed me literally out of nowhere never met her in my life and asked me to contribute to a book, an anthology, that she edited and it’s published now. It’s called One Last Lunch, a final meal with those who meant so much to us, and the principle of this book is that she asked 49 people to imagine a lunch with someone they loved who is now dead. And she asked me in that very first email to write a lunch with my mother and I said yes, because there were other really interesting people contributing to the anthology. And then I immediately got so terrified because I thought it would just be emotionally grueling and I was like a wimp. And six months went by and I didn’t write it. And she hounded me. She really wanted me in this book, which was amazing to me that you know. She bothered to spend this time chasing somebody she didn’t know, who wasn’t doing what she, what they had said they were gonna do, and so eventually I sat down and started generating material for it, because I didn’t wanna not write it, because I was scared that was a really bad reason to not do something, did not do anything and, massively to my surprise, not only was it not emotionally grueling, it was one of the most rewarding, healing, joyful experiences that I’ve ever had, because I got my mom back and they had this incredible reversal in it because, of course, my whole life I lost her. when I was four. I wanted a mother to comfort me and then, as I’m sitting there across this, imaginary lunch table in a restaurant that was her favorite restaurant that I knew in London. She was 39 when she died, so she was in love with this one and with problems with that one and worried about her kids, and she was in the middle of all the turbulence that you’re in when you’re 39. And I was in my early fifties and so, having wished for her comfort, I could comfort her and tell her it would all turn out okay and that was the most incredible experience. So I just wanted to share that. I think maybe if you have time to talk about it and share that, I think maybe if you have time to include this in the podcast, your readers might enjoy the book. That book also is available on. Amazon or that prompt Last lunch. Well, the prompt. If you go to imaginativesstormcom, we are also on a platform called Circle and there’s a link that read what other people have written. It will take you to the Circle and I’ve made a place on the Circle, with Erica’s permission, for people to post their last lunches. Very cool. I’ve told other people about it and in fact I taught a course at the Taos Writers Conference about two weeks ago and one of the women there wrote a last lunch and she’s just posted it. So I have to go read that. I was off on a river trip, so I wasn’t. I had no electronics of any kind for the last few days, but yeah, it’s everyone who’s done it. I mean, and it is frightening, not that many people are willing to step up to this, but the people who have done it have all had the same experience that I’ve had, that they were so surprised by the integration that came to them as a result.

Amber Annette: By writing.

Allegra Huston: Yeah Well, thank you so you don’t have to put.

Amber Annette: I’m, of course, gonna include that. That’s a. I mean, not only was it a beautiful reading, but that’s a beautiful way for our listeners to be able to connect with their past loved ones too. And that’s so much of what I love doing with this podcast and with my gift and is connecting to those that have crossed over, connecting to creativity, and this podcast has just been amazing to kind of pull all of those components all into one. So I thank you so much for being here and for being a part of this. Can’t wait for our audience to hear it and we will have all kinds of different links and her website, allegra’s website, to go check out. I know I’m gonna be buying the right what you don’t know book as well, as, I think, definitely playing with that thought of the last lunch. So, allegra, thank you so much for being here. This was amazing. I can’t wait to have you back and hear about your business reading and hear how those things are going that I kind of had a psychic forecast for. And until next time, go be in your magic and I will catch you on our next episode. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit, in turn of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic full sister.

Allegra Huston

Allegra Huston

Co-founder of Imaginative Storm Writing Workshops, Author, Producer

Co-founder of Imaginative Storm Writing Workshops
Co-author of book and course Write What You Don’t Know: 10 Steps to Writing with Confidence, Energy, and Flow
Author of bestselling memoir Love Child: A Memoir of Family Lost and Found
Author of novel A Stolen Summer
Author of How to Edit and Be Edited and co-author of How to Read for an Audience
Writer/producer of short film Good Luck, Mr Gorski

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Embracing Transformation: Navigating Divorce and Personal Growth with Meagan Norris

Embracing Transformation: Navigating Divorce and Personal Growth with Meagan Norris

by | Sep 5, 2023 | Podcast

What if the tumultuous journey of divorce could be not just a painful ending, but a profound opportunity for self-discovery and growth? This is the transformative perspective that our guest, the accomplished attorney turned life coach, Meagan Norris passionately shares. Meagan takes us on a deeply personal journey, from her own experience with divorce, through her struggles with anxiety, to the realization of her calling to empower women, especially those navigating through the complex process of divorce.

Could anxiety be viewed as a sign of a higher calling, rather than a problem to be fixed? Meagan urges us to consider this possibility, as she shares her own moment of clarity that led her from being a divorce coach to a holistic life coach. It’s a thought-provoking exploration of how personal growth can sometimes create tensions in our relationships, and how divorce can be a symptom of not following our authentic life path. Meagan shares practical tips on how to stay present during these challenging times, trust the transformation process and recognize when it’s time to seek professional support.

Retreat, reflect, reorient – the 3 R’s that our conversation explores in the final segment. We also touch upon the creative process of writing a book, the importance of staying connected with loved ones during times of upheaval and the power of trusting your intuition. Meagan ‘s story, insights, and holistic approach offer a much-needed perspective on navigating change, embracing authenticity, and creating a fulfilling life post-divorce. Join us for this enlightening conversation that promises to inspire and empower.

 

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Amber Annette:

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, your host, and today’s episode is definitely coming straight from the heart. I am here with Megan Norris. She is an attorney and certified life coach. She works with women who are high-achieving and who want to feel like they are the CEOs of their divorce. She helps them create a life that is so good it doesn’t make sense afterwards. I am so excited to gosh be in this conversation with you Of course, right now it’s August 8th and to be super transparent, like not only am I in the middle of a divorce, but I have so many friends and know so many other women. I mean, this just feels like such a hot topic right now. It is top of mind for me and I’m honored to have you here, megan, welcome, welcome.

Meagan Norris:

Oh, thanks, Amber. I’m really excited to see how this conversation unfolds.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I mean, let’s just kind of start with your story. So you’re an attorney and a certified life coach, so how did you start to blend the two, to become I mean, do you call yourself a divorce coach?

Meagan Norris:

I used to. When I say used to, I mean like a year ago. Okay, I was a divorce coach. Right Now, I would say I’m more of a life coach, and divorces just happens to be part of the story for most of my clients. And it was not a grand plan or a master mind move to end up here. It just happened very authentically and almost feels like it happened behind my back, like the universe was like well, we’re working for you and then, surprise, here’s the big reveal. So I had a law degree and I practiced until 2010,. And then I had my first baby, and my husband at the time worked a lot and so did I, and I hated practicing law. I mean, really hated it. I didn’t have any tools to manage my anxiety. I was just a hot mess express all of the time, and I was so excited to be a mom. I said I’m going to stay home, I will raise this baby, you don’t have to change your work hours. And I became a stay at home mom and three kids later, 2014, 2015, I started feeling called to do something and knew that my own anxiety that seemed to be increasing as the years went on was the path to that, if I could figure out what was happening with my anxiety and fix myself. Right at the time I was like there’s something wrong with me. Then I will be able to use that to help other moms. And I found life coaching very serendipitously. It’s a really fun story. It was accidental. I just stumbled upon this podcast and somebody said did you know that you’re not taking action because of how you feel? Like your feelings are such a big part of this? And it blew my mind and I jumped immediately into life coaching, fell in love with it, got certified and was trying to start this business. And meanwhile my marriage is sort of reaching this peak dysfunction. But we’re in therapy and we’re doing all the things and I’m really focused there too, and my business was just going nowhere. I could not get traction in it and I finally realized oh, I think I’m trying to create financial security so that I feel safe to leave this marriage, but that’s not actually going to be possible until I admit that I don’t want to be in this marriage and actually leave it. So I told him I wanted a divorce. We separated, we went through the divorce process and afterwards I was working with a coach because I was still frozen after my divorce. Now I understand this a lot better because it happens all the time, but I was in this pattern of waiting for the next crisis and so I was just not doing anything. I also didn’t get a job. I was like I know that I’m going to make this coaching business work, so I’m not going to get a job and I’m just going to wait and hold space for myself. And after my divorce, I’m going to start to go to work in my coaching business. And when I noticed I was frozen and not taking action, I hired a coach and I told her my story of how the divorce had gone and she just stopped the conversation and said I’m so sorry, wait a minute, what is happening? How did you do that? How are you doing this? Why aren’t you coaching other women on this? Because this story is unbelievable. And I took 24 hours and I knew that not only did what she said made sense to me, but I felt called to it and it aligned and it was the deeper work I’d been looking for. But I put my finger on before and woke up the next day, made a post about helping women through divorce. That was in March of last year, so 2022. And now, 18 months later, I have a very successful coaching business and I really love the work. I’m obsessed with my clients and the transformation that’s available to us through divorce and I’m so grateful.

Amber Annette:

I’m not even your client, and I’m obsessed with you.

Meagan Norris:

I love it, thank you.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I love it, I think, every single post. So I’m also not on social media very often you might look like it is, but I’m a little bit like my time in social media and I follow, I think, every single post that you put out. It just is inspirational and I mean it’s not just about divorce, it’s just about being an empowered woman and I was so drawn to part of your tagline where you’re saying I hope women be the CEOs of their divorce, but I also think you help them be the CEOs of their life. It’s not just divorce. I mean, divorce is a symptom of us not following the life path that we’re meant to be living. In my opinion, in my experience and in my intuition, that divorce is just a symptom. It’s the symptom of not honoring and following the calling for me. Yes, and I think there’s something really important for our audience to hear in this when you’re talking about having anxiety, and there is something that I strongly believe and that probably goes against a lot of different mental health statistics and reports and experts and doctors, and I don’t give a shit because I trust what the universe shows me and tells me more than I trust anything else on this planet and I really, truly honestly know and believe in my heart and in my soul that when we, especially as women I’m sure men go through this too, but when we, as women, have panic attacks, it is actually a purpose attack. It is your purpose trying to get through to you. It is a higher calling. It is our bodies being so gloriously divinely designed that it is throwing red flags to us that we are out of alignment with why we came here. It is the biggest to me, not red flag, but it is actually a green flag. It is a green flag that your calling is calling. I love that you started this conversation out, because we haven’t even talked about this at all before. This is our first time actually meeting and talking and it’s such that, calling that moment of man, I know I’m supposed to be doing something different. I know there’s something bigger, grander, greater. Every single human being on this planet experiences a moment like that. And so tell me, let’s go back to that. Like what would you say that was? Like a defining moment for you, a memory, like honoring the calling. How do you do it?

Meagan Norris:

I think first you have to acknowledge that the anxiety is trying to tell you something instead of just trying to fix the anxiety. Yes, because what happens is we get caught in this loop where we’re trying to convince ourselves that we believe a lie, like I really want this marriage to work. No, I was trying, you shouldn’t have to convince yourself. No, I couldn’t. Like I was trying to. I was using the word coach, but I was trying to convince my brains like if I just work hard enough on me, then I can be okay with this and not need him to change or want him to change. And the more I try to do that, the bigger the anxiety got.

Amber Annette:

And let me ask you a question about that, as you’re trying to work on yourself, making transformations and you were actually becoming a version of you, and do you think that those changes caused an either bigger disconnect between you and your partner?

Meagan Norris:

Yes, but I didn’t realize that that what was happening at the time? Yeah, it wasn’t until and it took a good two, two and a half years for me to arrive at the moment where I realized and it was this instantaneous, like breakthrough I had where I realized, oh, this isn’t about him, this is about me. And as soon as I opened up to that truth, it was like what? I don’t want to do this anymore. This mysterious anxiety shifted and I won’t say I just felt rainbows and butterflies all of a sudden, but it was a very purposeful nervousness or excitement, or anticipation of the conversation and how the divorce would unfold. But that’s very different from the anxiety, this sort of vague, gray anxiety.

Amber Annette:

I was feeling the unknown. Yes, the void of the unknown, I think, is what and I mean this is just in my experience and in my opinion as a coach for the last 10 years whether it’s going into the unknown of a divorce, the unknown of starting a business or putting it is the unknown that keeps us from taking action, because, to our mind, unknown is unsafe. I say it all the time on here, like you have to program your mind to take that action from that new place of vision, because at least the vision feels known. And when you don’t have that, when you don’t claim the vision, is, in my opinion, where that gray, the gray, the void really starts to kick in. So do you, when you think about yourself, your own journey, your clients, do you help them really get a vision for what their new life looks like? Tell me about the envisioning process in this.

Meagan Norris:

Yes, I do help them because all the work I do with them is anchored in the vision. You have to have an idea of where you want to go. Otherwise, like you said, your brain doesn’t want you to move forward. And it’s so creative. Oh, I’m stuck. I’m not sure I feel guilty.

Amber Annette:

I’m just indecisive.

Meagan Norris:

It’s a problem for my childhood, it’s a problem with my belief and not myself. We come up with all these really creative ideas that really just keep us confused and stuck in the same cycle. But when you have that vision and you can anchor into it and say, okay, it’s uncomfortable to move forward towards this. But if I believe it’s possible, that it’s coming, I can bring this fear with me and trust that I am going to create this outcome or that I’m going to co-create it with the universe. And it’s not so much about actually creating that vision. It’s about having, like you said, something to anchor into as you move through a process with a lot of unknown variables, with another human and maybe lawyers or mediators or family or whatever else is involved your kids, if you have them. It helps anchor you and ground you in today so that you can make informed, intentional choices. But the vision’s probably going to evolve and it’s going to shift and change as you grow and move through the process and it’s probably going to be even better than you can comprehend right now.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, and with your current clients and with the industry and with everything we’re kind of seeing in like social media. I’m just curious, like I read somewhere that and I don’t have the exact statistic or the exact like I’m sure somebody will come at me for like please quote your source. I don’t remember. My source is probably TikTok, let’s be honest, but I keep seeing stuff where it’s called like we’re in the era of the great divorce, where and I think the number was the age of women between I believe it was like 35 and 47 is the highest it’s ever been and the lowest remarriage rate for those same women ever. And so I’m just curious, you know, and again like knowing that most likely a lot of that is coming from from TikTok and from, but I mean, I’ve seen a lot around this like great divorce. What do you think is happening on maybe the level of the collective let’s just go that where women are feeling like this is their best option, like this is the best plan, the best path, like why do you think this is happening right now?

Meagan Norris:

I think my best guess I hadn’t heard that great divorce term. I guess that makes sense, but I think it’s probably a combination of several factors, probably kicking off what, like you could probably trace it back to, like the 2016 election, right. And then we have the pandemic, where women are at home and we’re also working, but we’re also now homeschooling or we’re you know whatever. However, that life, right. And then we also, post pandemic, have this. What I feel like and sense is a collective raising of our vibration and, at least for me, social media, like the educational quality and the spiritual guidance and the coaching and the psychologists who are sharing their knowledge and, informationally, we’re just becoming. We’re not smarter, but we’re more connected to our truth and our intuition, and we’re seeing people give us permission to listen to that and I think, as we, it’s not so much oh, this is my best option, but oh, this is what I actually want and I have, and I can understand it on an intellectual level, but I can also feel it emotionally and I’ve got people telling me that it’s okay for me to own that truth and I’m gonna be okay afterwards.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, you’re right, the combination of kind of all of those. Just you know, like there was gonna be this like huge wave of babies coming. You know, people stuck at home together. I think there was kind of like that common like thought and conception that like more babies were gonna come because of COVID, when in reality this great divorce era is coming as a result of it. And it does make me wonder, like how much is social media playing into that? You know, when you talk about being able to be connected, I mean we are. I mean we pick up our phone and we’re instantly connected to content and resources and courses and coaches and community that can be going through the exact same, you know the exact same situation that we’re going to and instantly can just feel comforting. And I’m just curious, you know, how can you stay true to your like authentic self during that time when there is so much out there Like you can get in like consumption overload. You know, to the point where I mean some of the things I was researching and looking up, I was like I can’t even I couldn’t even keep my own thoughts straight anymore of like what was real for me and what I actually wanted, or was it based off of something I read or heard or watched? So how do you really stay true to your authentic self during this, you know, during this time?

Meagan Norris:

Okay, I have a couple of tips because this is a real thing. When you start to leak energy around your research or your consumption of information, regardless of the source podcast, audio books, social media, other people’s opinions it becomes really important because I do think there’s a tipping right. There’s this point, as you’re approaching the divorce, where your brain just wants to understand and you’re reading and you’re researching to create some sense of safety, but then it starts to tip and it becomes the experience that’s draining, like you just described, where it just becomes overload and overwhelming and now you can’t even really tell what your truth is and what you think about anyone thing and you start to outsource it to other things and other people. So, number one curate the hell out of everything you consume from doomsday news reports, stock market if you’re doing like stock market stuff or political stuff, cut it out. That would be my recommendation. And then curate any social media feeds that you have to align with the highest version of yourself, whether that’s just personal development and cutting out all the divorce stuff, which is what I ended up doing, or just curating specific leaders and making it a place where you go and you feel lighter and you enjoy it, but you really start to cut down on what you’re consuming and then I really think there’s value in finding some kind of one-on-one support or maybe small group support, although even then you’re having there’s so much other noise there can be in a group but a therapist, a coach, a mentor, even a good friend, somebody who will help you validate right, validate how you’re feeling, but then also reflect back to you your truth or your thought errors, or remind you of your vision, because that support really helps you move forward efficiently. Not necessarily we need to go so fast because we don’t, but we can move through it efficiently and learn how to use all of that juicy emotional fuel that the divorce is creating, the guilt, the grief, resentment all of that fuel is really sacred and you can use that fuel to create a life that’s so good it doesn’t make sense and your best possible divorce outcome. But you have to know how to do that and I think part of that is curating the information coming in and being very selective with who you share your experience with and get support from.

Amber Annette:

So good, thank you.

Meagan Norris:

Welcome.

Amber Annette:

So I’m curious when you start to go down this path and maybe even you reach a point where the marriage is complete divorce when you’re working with women that maybe that’s the stage that they’re at Are they ever regretting their decisions? Are you ever seeing that women are regretting the choice to get a divorce?

Meagan Norris:

No, but what I do see is women paralyzed by the fear that they might. What if I do regret this, down the road and my answer to that is always so. What if you do? The emotion of regret, feeling regret, is just a vibration in your body. And why are we so afraid of feeling a vibration in our body? And when we can neutralize it a little bit that way and put it into perspective, they can usually take a deep breath and say, okay, well, I can trust myself to handle some regret. And I think there’s also this underlying question of like, but what if he is the one? What if he is the one? And I’m messing this up, and I mean my answer is always well, what if he is? If we really believe what’s for us, can’t miss us and the universe always has our back and all of those comforting mantras that we want to say to ourselves, then if he’s the one, then you’re going to come back together in some way, but this is what you want right now. So why don’t we honor that and see what happens and trust yourself to handle whatever you feel in the future when you feel it, instead of feeling terrible ahead of time?

Amber Annette:

And I think that works in any situation, not just if you’re going through a divorce but just, am I making the wrong choice? I mean, I think as women, we spend way too much time in that space of am I doing the right thing? Is this the right door for me? What if? What if? What? If you know we can love, you know into a state of being paralyzed.

Meagan Norris:

Yes, and how do you know? How do you know when it’s right? How are you going to decide that there’s no measure outside of you?

Amber Annette:

Yeah, and I think it’s like that’s where having your intuition and being so strongly connected to it and knowing and having you know nothing more powerful than your inner knowing, how do you work with your clients to like honor that and trust that and feel that Like?

Meagan Norris:

first, once we uncover it right, and it’s really just a question of what is it that I want, and I always like to qualify that with if you knew everything was going to be okay either way, if you knew everyone was going to be okay either way, living their best life. What is it that you want? What is that, what is that knowing? And once we’ve identified it, I think it’s really helpful to have somebody reflect it back to you, to for someone to say and remind you you know, you just get to follow that desire, that knowing, that intuition, just because you want to, you have permission to do that Right. And because we forget and I don’t know if that’s just human nature or a product of our conditioning or the culture that we live in, it doesn’t really matter it seems to be really powerful and I know it is for me to have someone say, just so you know it’s, you have permission to follow that knowing capital K and when you do, things work out.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I mean, I think I don’t think that anybody can actually think of a time when they followed their intuition and it let them down the wrong path. I don’t know anybody that can be like, yeah, I followed my intuition and it really screwed me up. Or yeah, I followed my intuition and it really set me back. And I often say like, typically following earned, you know, it sounds glorious, it sounds amazing. I mean, every time I talk about intuition, people feel like it’s this like beautiful, shiny, like mystical, magical experience and it sounds like that. But in the reality of following your intuition, it’s a typically the path that’s the hardest. It’s typically the path that’s going to bring you the most discomfort, the most contrast, the most stretching of your limits and your boundaries, I mean. But it is also the path that is going to lead you to your next transformation, into your higher calling and to the highest vision that you could have possibly imagined yourself having.

Meagan Norris:

And.

Amber Annette:

I. And yet just because it’s the right path doesn’t mean it’s the easy path.

Meagan Norris:

No, in fact you’re right, it’s usually the most uncomfortable because for some reason, it’s harder for us to speak our truth and move into it than it is to pretend and have that discomfort, like somehow that feels protective. I usually describe it as it feels like your skin is melting off, like it is so uncomfortable. And a lot of the work that I do with my clients is we’re just holding space for that discomfort, like don’t, don’t undo what you did, take a breath. This is just a feeling and we’re going to wait and the magic I call it magic, the magic is coming, the manifestation is coming and I have the most unbelievable stories from my clients and my own life that just blow my mind and I feel so privileged to have a bird’s eye view of all of that. Yeah, and I try to share them as much as possible because it helps everybody else understand. Oh, it’s possible for me to like things happen that don’t make sense. They’re so good, they don’t make sense to our logical brain and I, 18 months into this business and this offer and this work, my trust in that always showing up is becoming so much deeper and it is really rewarding and fun on the other side of it. But while you’re in it, yes, your skin is going to melt off. It’s very uncomfortable.

Amber Annette:

So let’s talk about for those who are in it, maybe here for a second, so for the listeners that are maybe on the fence, and I want to make sure that everybody knows, like you, don’t just help women going through divorce. That can definitely be a bigger aspect of what’s going on in their life. But, you know, when do you know, like, when do you know it’s time? You know, when do you know it’s time to probably seek out somebody like you for support, for coaching, for guidance, for mentoring, you know, versus just having you know, I mean, I agree, I mean we talked about you touched on there. You know, having a therapist a little bit earlier and a coach is not a substitute for a therapist. Like they’re very different things, first and foremost. But I also, you know, I think it’s important to not just have your friends as a sounding board, because that’s not always super like healthy and productive as well. How do you know when it is really time, you know, to start having somebody like you in in their corner for life or divorce, for transformation?

Meagan Norris:

I feel like that answer is easier than how do I know when it’s time to leave my marriage? How do you know when it’s time to get support? It’s just when you want to, when you feel called to it, when you feel pulled to it, when something inside of you is telling you go there, you want to be there. That energy, you want to be in that energy, follow that. I call it a bread crumb of desire. Follow that bread crumb of desire because it will lead you to the next thing and the next thing. And then the second thing I’ll say is that I think leaving a marriage happens in two phases. There’s the honesty with yourself, the radical honesty with yourself oh, this is what I want. And, by the way, you can admit that and never do anything. Just because you say it doesn’t mean you have to go and get a divorce. You can live your whole rest of your life married, with the knowing I don’t really want to be in this marriage anymore, it’s okay. So there’s that phase and then usually that leads to the knowing oh, it’s time, I don’t want to be here anymore. And I wish there was a way that I could say no, we’re so enlightened that we can approach that time to actually leave faster, sooner, with more clarity. But I just think that’s not usually true. It’s a process because, especially if you are highly sensitive or an empath where you want to be absolutely sure, you have tried everything, because every single one of my clients had a vision of being married until they died. To this person, yeah, absolutely, and letting that go is a grieving process and a transformation all in itself and it’s okay that it takes the time that it takes to get to that second phase.

Amber Annette:

And there isn’t a cookie cutter timeframe on that. It’s your own timeframe.

Meagan Norris:

Yes, and that is why it’s so important to curate who you listen to, because attorneys have a lot of opinions and they’re quote experts, right? Your mom has an opinion, your therapist might have an opinion and none of it matters. Only your knowing and intuition and opinion matters here.

Amber Annette:

Well said, I love it. I love the work that you’re doing in this world. So needed.

Meagan Norris:

Thank you, so needed.

Amber Annette:

I’m so grateful for this conversation and I know my audience is going to be too. I can’t wait to share this with them. And now, in like true, the business like it fashion, I’m going to give you a business reading. Okay, and even though I like follow your social media content, I actually know nothing about your business model or like. So I don’t know like pack, I know nothing about like your actual business. So it’ll be interesting to see what I kind of pick up and channel here and tap into you and then I’m sorry, I’m like already having stuff come in, so I’m just like writing it really quick. And then I will ask you a super powerful question to wrap up this episode, are you?

Meagan Norris:

ready, megan. I’m Amber, my palms are sweating, okay.

Amber Annette:

Let’s see, let’s, let’s see, let’s see. So I really need to start doing my podcast with, like, the video aspect also, so that people can see what my process is. So whenever I do somebody’s business reading, I close my eyes, and this is just how I use my gift, so I always have my eyes closed. It just makes it easier for me to hear and see and get visions, and there’s a couple of things coming in. So, number one, when you were talking, I felt and this is how my gifts sometimes work I felt I feel like a ping, I feel like a tingling sensation I call them truth bumps sometimes and I was really feeling something powerful about the your own timeframe framework because and this is coming from a place of knowing and intuition and experience for myself there could be, this could be a powerful way to use it as like a lead magnet or something like this to to to bring in more magical women into your audience, megan. But women want a timeframe. They want to know, like I almost get this like linear line of like the things that need to happen for them to have a transformation, for them to get to their vision. And even though it isn’t an actual timeframe, I’m using like quotation marks and like around that word. There is something powerful about the own, your, your own timeframe framework for you. So I want you to sit with that, see what comes in with that. Think about past clients. You’ve had current clients that are coming to you that are maybe time obsessed, and then there’s something really powerful from the timeframe perspective of latching that onto, like the vision becoming the CEO of your life, of your decisions, of your, the decisions in your vision. So strongly feel that for you and where I can feel you starting to say, like look, I want to be known for more than divorce, because that’s more than who you are now. It will still be an aspect. I think these are women that are either a in the middle of the divorce or at the tail end, or have just been recently divorced. Just because that’s going to be such a powerful message that’s going to still resonate with them. So that’s so. That’s the first thing. The second thing that I keep getting is like the vision of you with two other women, and it feels to me like this is like a sacred circle type of experience, where it almost feels like it’s hybrid Some is in person and some is online where you’re holding some type of container, whether it be a mastermind or but it does feel like there’s an incident level of retreat included where it’s in person. The power here, though, is that it is the three of you holding the space, and it’s like these collaborative, you know, industries that really can rendezvous to give her the full transformation. So, instead of going, basically, and hiring three different coaches and mentors for three different aspects of her life, maybe even of her business, it feels like it’s kind of this all inclusive, all in one, but something really powerful is going to happen. You are going to go into this retreat experience and be blown away by how much you love hosting it and by the power of the in person aspects of it, and, I kid you not, I see you with, like a drum. There’s like a drumming ceremony, and I feel like this new love for like music or healing, the healing arts, is really going to like kick into like high gear for you. So something specifically around that, and then it feels like a no-brainer, but I need to bring it forward anyway in saying you got to get it. It’s not a book, but it is a planner. It feels like to me, it’s like a hybrid that I keep getting the vision and it even has like a spiral. That’s what makes me think it’s like a planner. It has like a spiral ring notebook to it, feeling where it is an envisioning planner and guidebook Books are magical and amazing. I read like a theme yeah, this feels different. It feels like it needs to be an active manual. There’s something really powerful and really significant about that. Whether that is tied to this or not, I’m slightly except. Maybe one leads to the other. I don’t know what your branding colors are. A lot of sage pink, white and black on that, which is interesting. I don’t always see branding colors, but there’s something about that that I feel like a new brand is emerging. Might even have those tones in it. I can definitely. January of 2024 is a significantly successful month for you, probably one of the most, I’m going to even say, ever have in business. Something significant in January of 2024. Wow.

Meagan Norris:

Okay.

Amber Annette:

So that’s a lot to unpack there. Anything about that resonate? Come up for you, let’s hear it.

Meagan Norris:

Yeah, okay, all of it Okay. First of all, I’m very introverted. The idea that I would want to do a retreat might not have made sense to me five years ago, but I just connected with someone on social media who plans travel for women who have just gone through any type of big transition. We have met and discussed doing a retreat in 2024, like a very small, intimate retreat type thing. So I feel like that, of course, is just at you, just sort of filled out that vision, and it’s going to be in Utah, at this glamping place. So the idea that they’re like a ceremonial aspect.

Amber Annette:

I was going to say like it had like a Southwest feel to it.

Meagan Norris:

Huh.

Amber Annette:

That’s why, Like I would have said New Mexico-ish, but I’m sure I mean that’s that same kind of, that’s like same kind of Canyon Vidie, right, yes, that’s where I’m from oh, stop it.

Meagan Norris:

Yes, I’m from. I was born and raised in New Mexico and I just moved to Texas like nine months ago. So oh I got truth thumbs everywhere, uh-huh, yes. And then I have had book like flashing at me but I didn’t know what that was going to look like exactly and I still feel like it’s taking shape and I was excited. I thought, well, am I supposed to write like a fiction book? I feel like there’s space for some fiction, some mature fiction around divorce and women right, and what that is journey is like, and but then also something around my work. It’s interesting that you saw a spiral and some sort of manual or guidebook, because that has been sort of this recurring theme and desire for me. So one day I’m just going to write a book and sometimes I feel pulled to just open up notes on my phone and start writing. So I’m like, oh, I know exactly what this chapter is going to say and I haven’t yet. So I feel a little called to that. Also, my brand is evolving and my old colors that like years ago a brand person gave me that sage pink and white in them, kind of moody, dark things too, and so I like the black or like a really dark green pulled into there. So the fact that you said it’s pink, white and black, I was like, oh yeah, that’s it. That’s exactly right. So pretty much everything and owning your own timeline has been a recurring theme in the last two months, for my client and for me.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, I think, especially as we’re talking about that again, I really I say it all the time and like even leaders need leads right, which is, which is really to me what that like the your own timeframe framework feels like of helping her see, like, honestly, fuck the fuck the timeframe, it doesn’t really matter. It matters is this present moment. I think there’s something really powerful in teaching that and claiming that to bring her into your space so that you can you can continue to nurture and build a relationship with her, and she’s going to buy from you because you’re amazing.

Meagan Norris:

I love that. Thank you, yeah, I think we have. I have some really powerful clients who make a lot of money, have a lot of influence, and there’s a reluctance to own that, and so of course there’s also a reluctance to own a timeline, because sometimes the timeline is fast. We think, oh the timeline, oh it’s going to take a while and that’s okay, but sometimes it happens really fast and that makes us just as uncomfortable as the waiting. So I feel like those things are probably connected in some way and helping her.

Amber Annette:

See, she gets to have her own Right. Yep, no, we just don’t do cookie cutter.

Meagan Norris:

No, we don’t. That’s the only consistent thing, awesome.

Amber Annette:

Well, that’s, that’s what. Just to a quick tap in there. That’s my insight that I got for you. And are you ready for this final question here? Yes, hit me so. So these are always my favorite when my when my guest hasn’t listened to my podcast yet, so they don’t know what this question is. It’s, it’s, this is my favorite. So, all right, here we go. Yep, if you could connect to anybody in spirit today and receive a message from them, who would it be? Oh, now, this could be a past love one. This could be a celebrity. This could be there’s, there’s, there’s no limits here, okay.

Meagan Norris:

So two things came up immediately and you can help me walk through that. One was my grandmother, who’s passed away, and the other was my future self.

Amber Annette:

Oh, I love it. So let’s tap into grandmother first. Now this is your mom’s mom, is that correct? Yes, okay, so I have her here with you and the first thing that she does is she draws me to like a necklace that’s around her neck. Is there anything about a necklace from her, or a pendant, anything that you remember, or maybe even your mom might have now?

Meagan Norris:

I had her wedding rings.

Amber Annette:

It’s a diamond, so it’s like, but it’s on, it’s on a necklace. It doesn’t look like a ring to me, but it is a diamond. Do you still have it?

Meagan Norris:

The ring. I still have the rings. I’m trying to think Well, she’s bringing up a piece of jewelry.

Amber Annette:

So maybe also I feel your mom so really strongly in this. So the three of you are super strongly connected. Now, you and your grandmother were quite close, is that correct? Yes, and there is not always that same connection between you and your mom, is that accurate?

Meagan Norris:

Yes.

Amber Annette:

And so she is just saying oh, she I mean she put so you can see where my hand has gone. My hand has gone to my heart, and that’s where your grandmother is showing me her hand, and I feel like she is saying this next, I’m going to say these next five to eight years, there’s going to be this deeper connection between you and your mom. You’re going to get closer to her, but you’re going to have to be the one. You’re going to have to be the one, you’re going to have to be the one to initiate it, to activate that level of communication, to open up the doorway to love. I feel like your mom has just been very she just I don’t know if she just she feels like a little bit more closed off emotionally and you are very sensitive, you are an empath, you’re open and you’re authentic and in some ways, I feel like your mom was just raised to maybe be in the opposite of that, like you don’t wear your heart on your sleeve, you don’t, you don’t just like air it out out there and just doesn’t understand. And so, over the next five years especially, you’re going to really be deepening and developing a new level of relationship with her that you’ve not had before and you have not experienced, and it’ll be just an integral piece to like a level of happiness that I think that you have not ever experienced with with your mom. Even though there’s love, there’s not like major issues, major like this is just a deeper level of love that you’ve ever got to and that I feel like you’ve your grandma’s telling me you’ve always craved, like you crave with your mom, what you had with your grandmother, and to feel like that Does that resonate. Yep, check with your mom. I’m going to be curious about this. It’s got a diamond. It looks like a diamond in the middle, it’s a. It’s the first thing she kind of draw me to was this piece. Curious to see if your mom has a piece like that. There’s something about that coming. The next thing that, okay. So when I connect into so I’m not going to try to second guess she is married and she’s happy. This future Wait, who is this? This future version of you and she has your hair is longer and it’s curled. You look different, you look younger, you look more vibrant, and this feels to me like it’s very soon, I would say in the next three years. And she’s Sitting on top. So the vision that I get is she’s sitting on top of a stack of books A stack, sister, let me tell you and she says to me no, holds bar, anything about that term specifically. Do you say that? Is that something you’ve ever felt? Yes, that’s like something I’ve never channeled before. Those, those words.

Meagan Norris:

I have always been sort of a ball to the wall, all in kind of spirited person, and I have held like, tamp that down forever because I didn’t think it was nice or lady like or palatable. And I am right now. I feel like I’m at the precipice of unleashing that on purpose and just letting it be what it is and embracing it. And I also love books Like I can’t get enough of them.

Amber Annette:

Yeah, there’s something also really powerful about Like I’m going to say, like the mountains are calling, like I get the images of mountains, and like the sun setting, like there is, you have got to honor that. She’s telling me anything about that for you. Well, yeah, I have been.

Meagan Norris:

Like I said before, we recorded, called to Denver in the mountains. I love the mountains and I tried to move there in the fall and it didn’t work out with my ex. He was on board and then he changed his mind and I was so sad at the time and it, but I didn’t give up on it. I just thought it’s not for right now, but a sunset and the mountains. I’m just freaked out because that is my Thing. I stand out on the deck of this rental house and I close my eyes at sunset and I envision that scene Instead of what I’m looking at. It’s coming, it’s coming, she’s coming, but I didn’t know it was coming, coming, coming.

Amber Annette:

She’s there so good. Oh my God, I don’t know what to say.

Meagan Norris:

Well, say you enjoyed being on the podcast.

Amber Annette:

This is magical. Thank you so much for being here. Anything else you want to?

Meagan Norris:

share with our audience.

Amber Annette:

We always put shown like ways to connect with you and your website and your social media avenues all in our show notes. But, megan, this was absolutely glorious. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, amber, for having me.

Meagan Norris:

This was really special, thank you.

Amber Annette:

And until next time, go be in your magic. See you soon. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit, in turn of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes For access to my transformation suite all of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic. Soul sister.

Meagan Norris

Meagan Norris

Attorney and Certified Life Coach

Meagan Norris is an attorney and certified life coach. She works with empathic, high achieving women who want to feel like the CEO of their divorce and create a life so good it doesn’t make sense afterwards.

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The 3 Things I Wish I Knew About My Intuition Journey Early On

The 3 Things I Wish I Knew About My Intuition Journey Early On

by | Sep 1, 2023 | Podcast

Our intuition is a remarkable gift, a guiding light that we often underestimate. Through personal anecdotes, reflections, and insights gained over time, I’ll share the invaluable lessons I’ve learned about nurturing and trusting my intuition. These are lessons that, had I known earlier, would have undoubtedly changed the course of my journey.

I invite you to join me on this introspective exploration, where I’ll delve into:

  1. Why the intuitive path is often the hardest to follow 
  2. Intuition feels and looks different for everyone 
  3. Why your intuition is never wrong

I’m truly excited to share my insights, experiences, and the wisdom I’ve gained on this journey. It’s my hope that this episode resonates with you, inspires you, and perhaps even nudges you to embark on your own intuitive exploration.

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Amber Annette:

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, I’m your host and I have a special episode for you today. So let’s see how this goes, because here’s a solo episode. All of my episodes up until this point have been with the exception of from Chaotic Clarity, where I tell my story like man that one was solo, but this is my first solo episode. So I appreciate you being here hanging in and I’m excited to. I’m always excited. I mean I feel like that’s. I need something new to say at the beginning of these podcasts. I really do, because, it’s true though I always get, I hope you feel that too I always get excited for the content, for you, for sharing a message and I hope that it drives and it inspires and it moves and it motivates, because I really put my heart and soul into this podcast. So, and today is no different, today I want to share with you three things. I wish I knew about my intuition early on. So my journey started about 10 years. 10 years ago is when I uncovered that I was, I had the gift of psychic mediumship and from there the last 10 years, this journey has just holy cow. I mean, it’s been a roller coaster. It’s been peaks and valleys, it’s been mountains, it’s been oceans. I mean, this is this journey in a entrepreneurship but then also psychic mediumship and blending those two. It has been wild, sister, let me tell you. But let’s dive into this because I want to cover these three things. I was doing a little bit of reflecting over the weekend and I had been feeling like I wanted to start doing these solo episodes. So here we go, let’s dive into, kind of, where this episode came from and why I decided to do this one solo. So I’m going to break down these three things and it’s no particular order of importance. But number one of the three things that I wish I knew about my intuition journey early on is that often the intuitive path, the path that you know is right for you, is often the hardest path for you. And this one stings because you know we often think that, or here, especially in kind of the online coaching space, the self-development space. You know we hear a lot about intuition and it sounds so sexy and glorious to follow your intuition and to know what that feels like. But I’m here to tell you that usually going down the path of following what my intuition is telling me to do, it is the hardest path and I just really want you to remember that even though it is a hard path to follow, it doesn’t mean that it’s wrong for you to follow, because we can hear a lying and alignment and being in flow and if everything will just be lining up for you and some of those things can be true. But also, sometimes following our intuition is hard. Sometimes we know it’s. You know maybe, for an example, it’s time to let go of somebody in our life that we know they’re just, they’re not good, they’re not right for us. Maybe it’s a toxic relationship or it’s just reached, you know, the end of its reason, season or lifetime, and it’s hard, it is hard to say goodbye to people. It can be hard to say goodbye to people, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the wrong path, because it’s hard and I think sometimes I see a lot of people get really hung up on. Well, if it’s easy, you know, if you’re in alignment, then it’s easy, and that’s just not always true. Sometimes the intuitive path is the hardest path and that’s why so many people don’t do it. They go against it. They follow their intuition. They don’t listen to that. You know, that subtle voice, that little kind of like tap from within, and I think just you know to add on to this like too, is that the intuitive voice within you is often kind of the quieter voice. You know it’s my intuition, is never screaming loud at me. It is often soft, it is subtle and it is just a beautiful wave that can come over me that says this is your yes or this is your no, and it really does come to me like a knowing and overall knowing, which which does lead me to my second thing, which is I didn’t realize that in my early, you know, intuitive journey that intuition feels different for everybody. For example, a lot of times you might hear people talk about oh, what does your gut tell you? What does your gut tell you? And I don’t get a gut feeling. I don’t feel anything in my gut and so for so long I didn’t know what people meant by that and I would just say it because I had heard people say it but I had never actually felt that and it took me a while to figure out that will actually have a physical reaction in their stomach, in their actual guts, when something is is right for them or something is wrong for them or something isn’t okay, they just get like an actual physical gut feeling and intuition doesn’t feel like that for me. It feels like almost like I’m going to say it doesn’t feel like a physical feeling at all, it’s just something I know, I just know it. I don’t know how I know it and probably being able to explain that unless you’ve actually experienced it is probably one of the hardest things to explain. You know what that knowing sensation is like, but it almost just comes through what I would say my mind and a very clear, over all sensational, maybe mind zap kind of a way I guess could be the best way where I just know things. If you’re for my Game of Thrones fans. I drink and I know things. That’s like one of my favorite lines from Game of Thrones I do drink some. Yes, absolutely. You can absolutely be spiritual and drink. That’s a whole other conversation. But intuition, man, it feels different for everybody and it’s so important for you that you know what it feels like for you. You know the physical sensation, or you know like there will be signs within your body, within your emotions. Oftentimes my knowing comes in as it sounds like my voice, but it’s very quiet. My intuition, that voice. It won’t compete with any other loud, booming voice that I have going on inside of me. It won’t try to be right or prove itself. It is a very subtle, but it is, don’t mistake it, because it is the foundational voice inside of me and even though it’s subtle, it is strong, it’s the strongest voice. So my invitation to you is really know what your intuition feels like. Is it that gut response to something? Is it that overall knowing? Do you get a sign before you get your yes or your no? And just know your intuition is wrong in those situations. Even again, if we go back to the first thing, which is the intuitive path is the hardest, your intuitive path is never gonna be wrong for you, even though it’s the hardest for you, and your intuition is just never gonna steer you in going in the wrong direction. It’s impossible for that to happen, even if, when you follow your intuition, you get to this place where you’re like WTF, this is not what I wanted. How did I get here? This isn’t for me. I made the wrong choice. If you followed your intuition, you did not make the wrong choice and there’s a life lesson there for you. There is something you can’t see. What is it? The clearing through the forest? Or when you’re in the middle of the tunnel, it’s hard to find that light at the end of the tunnel. But I promise you the intuitive path and following your intuition. It is never wrong when I do readings for people, and this really ties into the third thing that I wish that I knew about my intuition journey early on is that being a psychic, being a medium and being intuitive are all different gifts and even though every human being and this is the beautiful part about our intuition right Following your intuition, feeling your intuition, having your intuition, it is the one and only thing that connects every single human being on this planet. It is the one thing that absolutely every single human being on this planet has, no matter what is their intuition, and it feels different for everybody. But being a psychic, being a medium and being intuitive are all very different gifts and I’m gonna kind of I’m gonna give you kind of my perspective here Because as a psychic, I use a variety. I call them the psychic senses. I use a variety of different psychic senses to see, hear, know, for whoever I’m doing a reading for whether it be friends, family, clients doesn’t make a difference and those are, you’ve probably heard of, like the Claire senses, your Claire voyants, your Claire cognizance, your Claire sentience. There’s a variety of those different Claire senses that are often associated with being a psychic, and that is very different. The things that come to me as a psychic tend to be things that you know might be for somebody’s present moment, their past or their future. It could just be a variety of different psychic insights. It could be on health, on relationships, on finances. The majority of what I use my psychic gifts for is on business. I love blending my gifts as a psychic with my love of business and my love of creative business. So you know, and it can just be a broad, I mean my psychic spectrum is broad. Let me tell you the things that I can sense and see for people, and I would also go to say that where every single human being is intuitive, not every single human being is probably psychic, or if you are, it’s probably on a let’s go with the word spectrum right. There are some people that are incredibly gifted. You know the famous psychics throughout history you’ve heard about. I consider myself very high on that psychic spectrum, absolutely. And then there’s other people where every once in a while, they might know something or feel something or sense something and get those psychic hits. So everybody is definitely on that spectrum. But being a medium is also quite different from being a psychic. Now, mediumship is where I am able to and I know this sounds crazy, but I honestly I’m not sure how I’m able to do it, but I just can and that’s where I’m able to connect with those who have crossed over into the spiritual realm, so past loved ones, you know, kind of spirit, whatever you want to call it, those who have been on earth before but have now crossed over, and I am able to connect with them and every connection is a little bit different, every spirit that I’ve, you know, had that I’ve channeled for that I have used my gift of mediumship with has been a little bit different, but at the same time it is a beautiful gift to be able to bring. I mean sometimes I can bring forward man, information and insight and memories, and very specific. I mean I can pick up mannerisms. And I mean I can sometimes if somebody you know I might be like oh, they must have been a smoker, I can smell cigarette smoke. Or, you know, I pretend I’m like putting on red lipstick. Oh, I’m putting on red lipstick because I see your grandma and she’s having me put on red lipstick. Oh, yes, you know, I never remember my grandma without red lipstick, whatever it might be. The gift of mediumship is so beautiful when the connection is strong and I’ve spent 10 years trying to figure out, you know, why is it stronger sometimes for one and not for the other, and kind of what I’ve come to, the, what I’ve come to like the conclusion on is that I just bring forward what I’m meant to bring forward, if I’m meant to see memories and get you know, get in there deep and bring forward specific. You know I’m seeing a, I don’t know, I’m seeing a red garnet ring. Does that mean anything to you? Yes, that’s the last thing that my grandma gave me and I gave it to my daughter. It’s a family heirloom Now, whatever it might be, things like that it is a beautiful gift and I love using it for my clients in those situations. But the spectrum of being a medium is also quite. There’s quite a range there and I believe in my heart that we all are on that. Let’s just go with the psychic medium, intuitive spectrum, and some of us whether it’s because we believe it more, whether it’s because we’re more open to it, whether it’s because we’ve gone through an awakening, it doesn’t matter what it is All three are a little bit different and all three of those gifts being a psychic, being a medium and being intuitive they’re within you as well. I don’t believe that nobody has access to these gifts. I just think, like in anything, I’ll think about my older son, robbie, who’s 16, he has to put in extra effort and extra work for sports, like some people are just naturally gifted and athletic and it just comes easy to them. They don’t have to put it in all that extra work, or just like school even. I mean there are some people that school just comes really natural to them, they can pass all their classes A’s, not even flinched, where other people have to work really, really hard just to get maybe even a D or a C. That’s how school came kind of for me. And I believe these three gifts being a psychic, being a medium and your intuition it’s the same thing. Some people it comes very natural, very easy for, and other people have to work at it. It’s like building a muscle and it’s the more that you practice and the more that you trust and the more that you lean into it and the more that you use it, the stronger it gets. So I just wanted to share those three things with you that I knew early on in my intuition journey and I would love to hear from you. You can email me and I would love to hear from you where you are at on your journey into opening your intuition and maybe even into tapping into your gifts as a psychic or possibly as a medium, maybe a healer. I would love to connect with you and love to hear from you on that. And then I have something really unique for you today. So I’ve been sensing and feeling this and I’m not quite sure how it’s gonna work out, but I’m excited to see what happens. So I’m gonna give you a sign that I want you to be open to receiving from the universe. And if you’re still listening, and if you have been maybe stuck in making a decision or you’re struggling to just come to a place of trust and belief that you are going in the right direction and that you’re on purpose and you’re where you’re meant to be, I have a sign I want you to be open to receiving, and it is the image of a silver arrow. Now you can interpret that in any way, shape or form that you want, and my invitation is just that you remain radically open to the way that that image can come to you and when you see it, I want you to know without a doubt, without waiver, that you’re literally on point with your purpose. So till next time, go be in your magic and go see your sign. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit and turned up your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your spirit Until next week. Go make some business magic full sister.

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