Redefining Success and Embracing Authenticity: A Conversation with Heather Chauvin

Amber Annette: 0:02

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, your host, and today’s guest is truly such an exceptional human being Heather Chauvin. She is a leadership coach who helps successful women courageously and authentically live, work and parent on their own terms. Heather started her career as a social worker, helping adults understand children’s behavior, but it wasn’t until 2013 when a stage four cancer diagnosis pushed her to take a change, uncovering how cultural expectations sabotage our dreams. She has been featured in Forbes, entrepreneur, real Simple Magazine, mind, body, green, google and so many more. Let me tell you, when Heather isn’t working, you’re going to find her living out and preaching out what she teaches. She could be kayaking in Alaska, snowboarding, hiking or doing anything else that challenges what she believes is possible for herself, and she brings her kids along for the journey. Life is full of opportunities. It’s time to feel alive and it is time to introduce you to Heather Heather. Thank you so much for being here, thank you.

Heather Chauvin: 1:47

Amber, I need to update my bio. That says dragging my children along with me Because they’re like what is mom going to make us do now?

Amber Annette: 1:56

I feel you there and I don’t know Like I can’t remember the genders of your kids. But I have four kids. My daughter is my oldest, she is 28. And then I have a 24, 16, and nine-year-old son. So like to try to get my kids to do anything with me at least my boys is like ridiculous. Now my 28-year-old daughter like of course we can do all the things. Now, all the things now. So I feel you there.

Heather Chauvin: 2:21

Yeah, I have three boys, 19,. They’re changing ages soon, so it’s like 19, 13, and 11. And yeah, it’s like I’m like what is your currency of choice? I will give that to you if you come and do this thing. So some are adventure seekers, Some are like I need the controlled consistency. It’s fascinating to watch.

Amber Annette: 2:44

I, you know, when I was reading through your bio, there was something that I wanted to go back and touch on, a couple of things. So, number one when I’m reading your bio I don’t know if you know this or remember this, but you have the quotations around the word successful and lately I have really kind of been, you know, like whenever we’re creating content for our businesses or messaging that kind of thing, one of the things I always say is helping women reach their next level of success, and lately I’ve been super struggling with that word success. So I think it’s interesting when I’m reading through your bio, successful women is like in quotation marks. So I want to let’s just start there. I have, you know, I’ve been I think this is maybe my like 25th episode now and I have kind of got away from the scripts and like to do more of like the intuitive in the moment and there’s something that’s really speaking and calling to me about that. So tell me why it’s in quotation marks, tell me what successful means to you. Let’s dive in there.

Heather Chauvin: 3:46

So I’m like we don’t have a lot of time for me to go into this whole thing of why I have issues with the term success. But I also think it’s like this thing on a pedestal, especially for women, of what externally looks successful for people, whether it’s how much money is in your bank account, what car you’re driving, what you look like and we’ve been taught that go after this thing. Once you achieve it, you will then be successful. And with my whole journey, I have found myself over and over again being like not this, not this, not this. But I’m checking the boxes of what everyone else tells you that you’re supposed to do. And part of that for me was one I became a mother at a very early age. I was 18 years old and I looked at my son for the first time and I thought two things one, I never want you to feel the way that I did as a child. And two, I don’t want to fail you, and I didn’t know at the time that the primal fear I had was fear failure, as like a woman and what a good mother meant. And so I started doing all the things that success was supposed to be. I’m checking the boxes and culturally I’m getting the like oh, you’re great, you’re doing great, and my insides were like dying, like my soul was leaving my body, and I’m like this is not success to me. And so I use air quotes for success, because to me it’s a feeling, and everyone needs to define that on their terms, not what we’ve been taught externally.

Amber Annette: 5:24

And I think, like I don’t know how, like this is not a word like that grammically makes sense, but like I want, I’m like un-un-successing myself right now, actually in life. You know, I’m like unchecking all of those boxes that I have worked incredibly hard. Isn’t that interesting too? You know, let’s talk about working hard. I worked so hard to like, check all these boxes right. Big, beautiful home, gorgeous boat spot, the Range Rover, like all the things right, all the things that those were the things that I wanted, those were the things that I that made me happy at one point. But all of a sudden they don’t. And so what do you think about? Like and I’m hearing this and seeing this more and more are you where, like women are just all of a sudden like, redefining, like all of it, redefining goals, redefining what intentions are, redefining what work means. I struggle so much in saying like, oh, I have to work today because it doesn’t feel like work. I don’t want to work, I don’t want to work harder, I don’t want to work smarter either. I like, I just feel like there is something happening on a bigger level as a collective, especially with women who have been part of this hustle culture towards that check in those freaking boxes.

Heather Chauvin: 6:45

Yeah, so 10 years ago I was diagnosed with a stage four cancer and nine years before that I was into personal development and the one thing that I did not do so at my diagnosis it was very apparent that wasn’t my spiritual awakening. That was one of many. I was like this is like a road bump, like a bump in a road. I’ve had multiple before that diagnosis, but that was the moment where I realized I need to deeply trust myself and I always talk about reverse engineering, how you want to feel. I’m like, how do I want to feel? How do I want to feel, how do I want to feel. And it’s been fascinating because, especially lately, like I just I’m going to call it post COVID, but everyone’s like, oh, it’s changing, this is happening, da, da, da. And like there’s a culture shift. Well, the only reason why you have a cultural shift is because everyone’s like, yeah, I’m going to jump on that bandwagon, I’m going to jump on to that story. And I have had to watch myself energetically be like that’s just not aligned for me. And I found that in this season of my life, the and I say season because I’ve been been practicing this for 10 years, but in this particular season, the external energy has felt like stronger, that I have had to really harness my internal boundaries, like my emotional boundaries, my physical boundaries, like I get so fucking triggered Can I, can I swear, oh yeah, we stay, fuck here all the time. I get so fucking triggered when people are like I know you’re busy, I’m like I am not busy, you are just not a priority in my life, like and I don’t say it that abruptly, but it’s like I know you’re busy, so you don’t have time to do this, and I’m like it’s just not something that’s aligned for me. I don’t enjoy doing that. Therefore, I say no, thank you, but I get so fucking triggered I know you’re busy, you don’t know me, you don’t know my life, you don’t know how I feel today, you don’t know what my priorities are. Stop projecting that the only reason why I say no is because I don’t have time. I have a lot of time for things that matter to me and things that I prioritize and that I value. I do not have time for the shit that you just say hey, can I put this on your plate? And I think that is the big culture shift. Is why? Just because I have time? Why am I saying yes? To fill my time with all this extra crap. So I’m doing less better and I’m decreasing my time. I’m decreasing my time better and I’m decluttering like a mofo.

Amber Annette: 9:18

I got in the habit of, you know, I think everybody just gets in the habit of saying I’m so busy and probably, I don’t know, six months ago or so, I started shifting to the word I’m focused right now, so I can’t do that. I love that, and saying I’m focused brings a different energy for me in the moment and I think it gives them a reframe too of being like we have to get out of the I’m busy, I’m busy. I’m busy. I mean at least in my, in my a pin tuition I call it my a pin tuition where it’s like a blend of my opinion and intuition. I love that.

Heather Chauvin: 9:55

I also love the whole focus thing over I’m at capacity, because capacity also feels like I’m full, which is true. It just has more of like a nicer way of saying I’m busy. I love that I’m focused right now.

Amber Annette: 10:10

I think what’s really interesting when you talk about like filling up that calendar, heather, is you know I’ve shared with my audience and you know I’m in the midst of a divorce and One of the things that I have noticed is I am uncomfortable sometimes with space. I am uncomfortable with not having the calendar full of clients or a, a happy hour to go to with my girlfriends or a weekend filled with sports activities, kids stuff, groceries, errands, all the things. I’m uncomfortable with that because my whole life Up until now has not been that. It’s been Balls to the wall from, like you know, six am Till 10 pm. So what do you hear inside of that and what are you seeing kind of you know like with your clients and with women that your peers around like what do you do with that space?

Heather Chauvin: 11:13

The one I think we’re addicted to busy, we’re addicted to being of service to other people. We get a lot of value from it and then it shapes our identity. And so, regardless of why we you know there’s we’re always in different seasons of our life. But the second you’re like, okay, I want capacity, or like more space and time, and then we get it. It’s so emotionally uncomfortable Because our brain, like it’s, it’s shaking up our identity. But our brain is also like this is not Normal, like this is not our normal state of being, where I think of where I am today versus where I was 10 years ago or 20 years ago. I Mean I look at my old self or I have a friend that’s kind of living my old life and I’m like, oh god, I would not go back there. So it just takes time for us to like get situated in this new skin and how we, how we, show up in the world. But it is so fascinating to me to watch where I’m like you can have a desire for something like a desire for I’m gonna use more a desire for a feeling, a desire for space. You get the space and you’re like, oh shit, now what do I do with the feelings that I was avoiding? Now that I have the space, it’s just fascinating to watch, but as long as you’re willing to sit with it and it eventually subsides. And then you get to fill the space with the beauty or whatever Else you’re craving, but making sure you’re not just filling it because you’re uncomfortable. I.

Amber Annette: 12:44

Find also like I don’t know what I want to do with that time. You know, yeah, so we’ve started yet. Yes, yeah, so we’ve started. Our parenting schedule is one week on, one week off. So, and even the weeks that I don’t like, you know, the boys don’t stay here with me I go to their sports stuff, all the things, but it’s like what do you? What do you do? You know, who are you when you’re not being a mom? Who are you when I’m not with a client? It brings up a side of me that I’ve never, I’ve never known before, and I feel like so many women are craving that right now to find out who they are without all of those labels that they have been living like. Who? Who just am I? And I’m not scared of a lot of things, but it’s a scary space to sit in. It’s like beyond uncomfortable. I mean, sometimes I’m just like shit, I’m just gonna go to bed.

Heather Chauvin: 13:43

You know, I I don’t know when it was, but my business started growing and doing Incredibly well and it was like a I don’t want to call it a rinse and repeat process, but it business growth is uncomfortable, but when you get your systems and processes, it’s a rinse and repeat. And what I found, and what I’ve seen people do, is keep blowing up certain areas of their life because they’re seeking that like adventure or adrenaline rush. And I had to consciously choose that outside of my mothering, like outside of my personal relationships, like not over nurturing or over like okay, what can I do for you? How can I manage your life and your future? And then I had to do that outside of my business and it was like, who am I? And I started going on this adventure and asking myself, how do I want to feel? And Just journaling, like wouldn’t it be nice if and I wasn’t allowed to write down anything that had to do with Business or parenting or my marriage. It was like wouldn’t it be nice if I felt amazing in my body? Wouldn’t it be nice if every Friday I went for a three-hour hike? Wouldn’t it be nice if I could just spend my time and energy in as much art as I possibly could, like just random little nuggets of desire. And then I started putting those things on my calendar and the amount of resistance that I have around following through with that three-hour hike on Friday because, ooh, that special email came in that I can act on, or, oh, my kid needs me. It’s funny to watch, but it’s like you have to choose. It’s like changing the current within yourself, but getting I mean now I doing endurance races because I’m a wackadoodle and I enjoy. I’m like trying to get the high from something else rather than blowing up these areas of my life for causing drama on them. So it’s fascinating to watch to put myself in uncomfortable situations, to grow intentionally rather than yeah, it’s, it’s. It’s interesting being in a different, a different level where you’re like I’m just doing this thing because I want to. It has no attachment to a relationship or a revenue I.

Amber Annette: 15:50

It summarizes, like how we send the call together, where we were. Like you said, this fucking journey, this fucking journey.

Heather Chauvin: 16:01

And does it even make sense, like you know, when I stopped being so serious about what’s my purpose. What, like my purpose? Is to feel as good as possible, but at the end of that, like the opposite of that is To feel as shitty as possible, like to feel the depths of my fears and my grief so that I can let enjoy. And then one day it just stops, and then, whatever our beliefs are after that, and then, a hundred years from now, no one’s gonna remember us, no one. Scary. I say that every time someone’s like being so serious. My hundred years from now, no one’s gonna, nobody’s gonna remember you. And I think you like that song.

Amber Annette: 16:42

Oh, my gosh too. You know, like, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the meme where the guy’s like okay, let’s not take this meeting we’re about to go into, let’s remember, we’re all souls inside these, like human meat skins. So, like, like, let’s also just remember that before we start talking about this week’s budget.

Heather Chauvin: 16:57

You know, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the meme, but every time I see it that’s a good meeting starter. I’m gonna do that.

Amber Annette: 17:05

Yeah, yeah, like, let’s just not forget we’re we’re souls here to experience the, and that’s so much bigger than this budget we’re about to talk about you know, puts that in money, doesn’t even really exist, but yet we need it and like the material world. It’s our exchange, it’s our currency. Yeah, we, we, we chose that. Yeah, I think you know when you’re talking about that three-hour hike and you know a lot of you know the women that I’m connected with. To they they feel guilty. You know the, the mom guilt, the wife guilt. Like I, even when I’m by myself, I feel guilty for Allowing myself to do the things that I want to do to evoke the emotions that I want to feel. Mm-hmm, I’m on this big. I love creativity and like, but I’m not like a good artist by any means. So diamond art, because it gives me the pattern and I get to make it pretty, or paint by numbers, like those things make me happy because I’m just not naturally talented at that way and I feel guilty, like enjoying it, having a glass of red wine, listening to Adele. I Feel guilty, and so many women feel so guilty for just allowing themselves to feel the pleasure, feel the whatever emotion is, just for the sake of feeling it. Why do we do that other?

Heather Chauvin: 18:31

I don’t know. That’s my answer. All I know is you. I think it’s a collective that we’re all experiencing. I think the more we accept it rather than trying to go down this rabbit hole of why I mean let’s patriarchy lineage, the design of the female brain. But it’s funny because the only people I ever hear talk about guilt is women. Never men, I’d never barely. I know that’s not true, but very rarely they talk about fear. But the definition of guilt is I did something bad. Shame is I am bad. So we think we’re doing something bad. Ooh, I ate that cookie. Ooh, I’m sitting here enjoying myself. I mean, I still experience guilt and shame and fear and overwhelm and I’ve just accepted that that is part of the human experience. But I have to lean into. You can call it joy, you can call it whatever, but that moment like you’ll be sitting there and you’re it’s like grief, like you’re just doodadoo, wow, I’m really enjoying this. And then wha-bam, it just washes over you and you’re like what WTF? What just happened here? So I actually purposely lean into it and sit with it. When I started my business, I felt guilty, like I’d have one kid on the boob. I’m rocking the other one. I remember just sitting in my office and one of the kids has a toddler coming and knocking on the door and I could feel the guilt of working for an hour and I would physically just sit in my guilt and say I’ll be right there, and I actually would physically sit in it until it left and then I would get up. I was like I want to take the action of getting up and transitioning from a place of like, not from guilt. You get what I’m saying. Like I didn’t want to live from guilt, you don’t want to take action from that place 100%. So I would sit and feel the feeling, let it pass, and then I would get up and transition. But I’m like, if I allow guilt to run my life, I am going to become ragingly angry and resentful at the people I love and just from my personal experience, my soul will say screw you, bitch. If you are not going to fulfill your purpose or alignment in this lifetime, I’m gonna leave your body and I’m gonna go in somebody else’s body, cause that’s my kind of core belief is like. The soul will be like hey, this is what you’re doing, like this is what you’re supposed to be doing. It will send you nuggets, it will push you, and if you just keep neglecting it it will. You’ll have like a little soul death and it will just be like all right, I’m gonna go hang out in someone else’s body that wants to pay attention to me, cause that’s what I truly believe was happening to me when, I got diagnosed.

Amber Annette: 21:17

You know it makes me think of the book by Elizabeth Gilbert, big Magic. She talks about ideas. The way that you are talking about emotions right now, and I’ve never had anybody explain and express the way that ideas come to me and through me the way that she did when she wrote that book it just it resonated on so many levels. The way ideas will like hover and I can feel them almost. They have a it was almost like a texture before I take them in. But the way that you’re describing emotion here, it almost feels the same thing Like when that wave comes in and I think sometimes it’s hard to discern. Is this mine? I mean, and I do. I mean I do this stuff, I do this work. You know I do the inner work. I am highly sensitive to energy and as a psychic medium I mean I have stuff coming in all the time. But the way that you just described the wave of a guilt coming through and sitting with it and staying with it, have you ever connected that? I think this is even an assignment I’m gonna give myself to kind of sit with when those waves of emotion come up. Are there other messages that are coming in that we’re missing in the emotion because we’re so into the emotion. Are there other? You know, I connect with those who have crossed over and it makes me wonder if, when those waves of emotion come, are there. Is there spiritual energy coming too that is right along with it that we’re missing. Have you ever thought of it that way before?

Heather Chauvin: 23:03

I wanna say yes and and I know I feel like that’s what you teach me Like the more because it’s so you have to be, you have to sit and listen to yourself and if we are culturally conditioned to just go, go, go go. So I’ll give you an example. When you and I met in St Lucia at the, I had to leave early and you did a quick reading and I had to leave for a friend slash clients funeral.

Amber Annette: 23:33

Oh, yes, I remember that.

Heather Chauvin: 23:35

And I went to her funeral and I was a fricking puddle and I thought I was gonna be all not stoic, but just I’m saying Heather Chauvin, I’m using air quotes like an alter ego of like I’ll inspire everybody and I just I was a puddle and I was like I’m her friend and I’m really sad that she’s gone. And I said to her mother I said I think your daughter came to me when she did two years ago like came back into my life because she was preparing to leave her body. But she was telling me she’s gonna give me some extra energy and like boost me, because she was very passionate about my message and but she never like went full into it. Like in her physical body she always like shrunk and like stayed small. Anyways, about two weeks ago I woke up at four o’clock in the morning, which I never do, and I was usually, if I wake up that early, I’m having a panic attack or something but I was like full of energy and I was like ready to start the day and I sat there. I actually I was probably thinking about you, cause I was like Amber probably thinks I’m it’s my little psychic abilities coming out, but anyway, I had this like strong desire to reach out to her mother and it was a feeling. So I get like these feelings. I don’t associate it with a person or an, or a spirit or an energy like crossing over and I said exactly to her mother what I felt called to say and I was a little I think I’m pushing my boundary here and her mom was like I was just praying to her to send me a sign. And so when you talk about the guilt and the feelings, I think there is a next level to it, Like, but we just immediately attached to I’m supposed to feel bad. So I’m just gonna sit in this yuckiness and I’m gonna feel my feelings. But if you’re digging, you know a little bit, it’s like and you’re asking those deeper questions of who’s who’s is this Like? Is this just my lineage? Is this like a past life? Like what is this? I’m just enjoying a glass of wine and doing a paint by numbers, like. Am I really that bad of a person in this moment?

Amber Annette: 25:55

It’s just, it’s making me okay. So, first of all, our listeners can’t see what’s behind you, like I’m loving all of these, like little dots that are about to come together. And it says emotionally uncomfortable. And I have never connected that sitting in a space of feeling those emotions could also be part of my gift trying to connect to others that can give wisdom, spiritual insight, healing, guidance, comfort to the uncomfortable. You know, I think there’s a difference between the two. Like I believe in being uncomfortable I really do and yet you can have some comfort given to you during that time, you know. So I have never, in 10 years of thousands of points of connection, ever thought of the times when I’m alone, I’m by myself, I’m sad, I’m frustrated, I’m mad. That that is a point of to spirit. Ever I’ve, like I am through this conversation, I’m like almost like I can’t wait to have a reaction. So, for example, like we’ve talked about yesterday, I told you that yesterday was one of the hardest days of my life. I wrote about it actually in an email that went out today, which is September 14th, but this won’t be out for a couple more weeks. So if you wanna go back and read it, you can, but I was sobbing yesterday in a way that I just is like out of the norm for me. I mean like hot mess express, like couldn’t talk, like I mean it was brutal and yet in the moment, if I would have probably just taken a couple seconds to get grounded in the moment, allow myself to feel the connection. I bet there was a message there for me and I bet I missed it. I’m just like I literally I don’t know if you are like feeling how I’m feeling about this, but I’ve never, ever directly correlated my emotional state to a point of connection with spirit, the way that I am in this moment.

Heather Chauvin: 27:58

I cannot wait for it to like happen Seriously For you to send me a message and be like. I guess what happened today.

Amber Annette: 28:05

Yes, I’m gonna like spirit is healing. It’s like kind of coming to me in this moment from it.

Heather Chauvin: 28:12

I remember well. I was gonna say like some of the most healing moments I had were in my darkest moments, like during my diagnosis I had so many were my. I couldn’t run away from my feelings, like I was in a hospital room, nobody’s around, I’m like by myself and I just had to go into the feeling, go into the fear. And I remember physically being like I’m free in this space, I’m going to be okay, like just this. It’s like I always say these emotions are like your children that you didn’t know you had. They’re just like I need a glass of water. I need a glass of water. I need a glass of water. You stop, you pay attention and whatever language you use, whatever intuitive like connection you have, if you pay attention to it and just get curious rather than like I’m intellectually feeling guilty right now and I’m telling you this from my head, but you’re just deepening into it, like these are breadcrumbs, like we want the little. We’re like what’s my purpose? Where am I supposed to go? What am I supposed to do next? I don’t fucking know. Sit with your shit and feel it and that’s where the magic happens. But I’m so curious. You’re going to send me a message in the next few days and tell me what happened.

Amber Annette: 29:29

I am, and I want you to hear this because I’m so this is just kind of coming in for you in this moment. Those heart palpitations you’ve been having, you need to understand there’s nothing actually happening with your physical heart. It is your spiritual heart that is like palpitating. It is spiritual experience. Your physical body is trying to match that of a spiritual energy coming into your space and that’s that like almost like electromagnetic feeling is. It can feel scary, it can feel like holy shit, I’m like not even 40. Am I having a heart attack? Like what is this? So is that something you’ve been experiencing or feeling?

Heather Chauvin: 30:14

100%, I’ve also. I have moments where I will have this weird like I will be talking to somebody and then I’m like, I have this moment of like you’re going to die. It’s very weird. It’s not fear, though, but there’s something that happens. So it’s the same thing as the heart palpitation of, like the universe. The energy is like like bringing it all in together, where it’s like tune in, tune in.

Amber Annette: 30:43

It is not. It is not your actual physical human heart. It is like the spiritual energy of your heart. It is the energy around you, and when I say spiritual energy, I really mean like those two have crossed over. I really I mean it is your gift of mediumship trying to come forward. It is Like I feel like I’ve told you that before, but I really want you to feel that today, like when that especially if you’re waking up in the middle of the night with it is that true?

Heather Chauvin: 31:15

No, not with the heart, but I am waking up. Earlier I thought it was like I was like peri-metaposal, but I I’m getting up more, with more energy, like in the middle of the night. It’s it’s trying to wake me up.

Amber Annette: 31:29

Yeah, for sure. And that’s like you know, if you’ve ever read anything, it’s like when the veil between our our human realm and the spiritual realm is the thinnest, it’s when the noise is the quietest, it’s when the connection point is the strongest. So, in I usually get woke up in the middle of the night and it freaks me out. Even still, to this day, I’ll get the heart palpitations, knowing that it’s really just a message trying to come through, and it could be for you too, you know, I think that’s one thing that’s like I’m being reminded of in this moment is that, like I can receive messages for myself too. I don’t always have to be the clear channel for everybody else. I can be a clear channel for myself. If I sit in the emotion and feel it. There’s going to be a message there and that’s like really what I’m. Really. I’ve always steered clear of the tears, you know. I’ve always steered clear of the. You know I don’t want to be on that lower part of the you know emotional spectrum, let’s call it. I don’t want to feel sad, I don’t want to feel frustrated, I don’t want to feel guilty, I want to feel good, I want to feel joy, I want to feel light, and so I just do my part to like try to get there as quickly as possible, and it’s making me in this moment realize that maybe there’s something on that other side that isn’t as bad as I think it is. It can maybe even bring me to a level I’ve ever been before.

Heather Chauvin: 32:55

Yes and it’s. They’re not bad. We’ve labeled them as bad, and then the wellness culture loves to sprinkle some spiritual bypassing and toxicity on that shit and it’s the funny thing is is like it passes so quickly. It’s like the joy is there, what you desire is there, but feel it. And something that you just said about the heart palpitations my brain will go to or it’s not always the heart, but like a weird feeling, like an awkward feeling. My brain will go to fear for like a split second. And then the second I go back to trust, like trusting my body, trusting myself. I’m like, okay, what do I need to know? What is this? But I think what you’re well, not what you’re saying. You’re reminding me to like, go back to like the knowing, which is fascinating, because I find some of the women that have the most difficult time with me in seeing results are the ones that refuse to go there. They’re always like in their head or they’re trying. They’re like I just want the joy, I don’t want to go there, and I’m like just go there for the minute. And then they go. They’re like, oh, that wasn’t that bad. I’m like, yeah, I’m not do that one more million times, but they won’t go there. They’re like I’m safer up here. I’m safer up here. I’m like, no, you’re not like you’re craving down here, but you’ve got to go there. But it’s the vulnerability of crossing over.

Amber Annette: 34:13

This is good stuff, girl. Okay, now, in true the business psychic fashion I know you haven’t I’m really excited. I get so excited when people actually it sounds like counterintuitive but I get excited. But my guests haven’t listened to like episodes or full episodes because they don’t know what’s coming at the end. Okay, it should also start to be like a prerequisite. So yours is going to be a little bit different today.

Heather Chauvin: 34:39

I’m just glad I’ve experienced you like in the flash previously, because that could be intimidating if I didn’t.

Amber Annette: 34:47

Oh, yeah, like it was amazing. Yeah, we were. You were one of those people who, like I know it sounds like cheesy or cliche, but I was like, oh, she felt like home. Like you feel like like instant, like an instant. You know, I didn’t instantly, we, I felt just comfortable in your space or you being in my space. You know, there’s just those people that you get to meet every once in a while and we just had that. I love those instant moments where you’re just like, oh, that’s my person. Yeah, yeah, okay. So I’m going to tap this. I know we haven’t chatted for quite a while about business, so I mean, I know you have some retreats coming up, but I’m excited to see what comes forward. And then I’m going to ask you a very important question. That audience knows what I’m going to ask, but you don’t know which is really exciting, okay, so give me a second here. So the way that I’m kind of seeing your business right now, the universe is giving me like this image of like a beautiful, like oak tree, you know, with like the big kind of like cool hole in the middle of it, and what it’s showing me is there’s like this big, beautiful, big branch that is about to come off of your business, which I’ve never seen this image before from spirit. I’ve never seen this as like the analogy, but I believe what’s coming forward here is a new aspect of your business, a new branch of your business that is very complimentary to what you’re doing now, but different. I also get this strong innate sense that I don’t know if you’ve always been like just curious about like herbs or plant medicine or something along those lines, or if you’ve ever been even interested in like homeopathic options, naturopath if that is something like you’ve been curious about, I really want you to like. I feel like 2024 is a year you’re going to go really deep into that for some reason, health wise. That’s not the reason. It’s more of just like I. It’s a curiosity that you keep just like learning and learning and learning more about the actual physical healing aspects of the physical body in those areas. I don’t necessarily know that that is part of that new branch that I’m seeing, but could be tied together or be a limb off of that branch. I feel like I also am going to use the word investment. I feel like you’re going to make some investments this year and things that you haven’t invested in before, where typically in yourself or a coach or a business or something along a business you know, strategist, or a Facebook ads, something business related I feel like there’s new investments you’re making, maybe in other businesses that are going to ridiculously lucrative, like below your mind, ridiculously lucrative. So also something you’ve been. The word curious is coming in really strongly for you, heather. I feel like following that white rabbit is safe for you, like I actually want you to go down some rabbit holes this year. That’s like that’s what there’s, like that’s where Wonderland is. So don’t have like you have a strong intuition and you follow it. Now I want you to also like blend those curiosities with your intuition. It just feels like really fun, playful, like breath of fresh air, just new coming in. So anything about that kind of showing up for you or feel right or yes, and so I have found so.

Heather Chauvin: 38:59

When I wrote darkness retreats, I’m actually obsessed with how our bodies can heal itself without substance, so I’m very curious about a darkness retreat. Do you know what a darkness retreat is? I do not, so it’s like a silent meditation, but you’re in a cave in complete darkness by yourself for a few days, and I know literally like a rabbit hole. Correct. But you know what my obsession is with this. I’ve never felt completely drawn to like ayahuasca or plant medicine, and when I’m watching these people’s testimonials, like I’m just, I’m just drawn to it. But what I’m drawn to is they’re like I am the medicine. I didn’t need something else to ingest to get me to that state. I got myself to that state and I’ve had very similar experiences when I was like during my cancer treatment, where I was like someone’s like oh, you should do plant medicine. I’m like I took chemo. I’ve had my own plant medicine experience. Like when you were just completely surrendered and facing like your depths of your fear. That is the rabbit hole I’m obsessed with, which is like what is fear? Like what is actually fear and why does it drive so many people’s lives? Investments I’ve been such a, so curious about being an angel investor and wealth building for women like just obsessed with it. Like people going, I’m going to be a coach and I’m going to make a million dollars and it’s like and then what? And then what? Like just obsession with helping other people thrive and utilizing resources to do so. So everything you’re saying there’s like little breadcrumbs there. I’m also not attached to any of it Like meaning I don’t like plans, I don’t like I’m. So the more I grow, the more I’m like. Let’s see what falls in my lap, like after this conversation. I believe that I’m going to get an email, a text message, something’s going to fall into my lap. I’m going to have a conversation with someone and I’m like Amber, omg, guess what happened.

Amber Annette: 41:08

And it feels like, I think, that the our best position we can possibly be in is is is in a space of radical unattachment. So I love it. I love it so and I’m curious. I can’t wait to hear how, like, what shakes out and what comes in.

Heather Chauvin: 41:26

I do feel like my body, although it’s thriving, has a physical reaction of resistance, so it’s not manifesting in symptoms Like I’m not like worried or scared. It’s like that old, it just feels like old energy is there, like I’m I’m, like I’m tired, but I know I’m not. Yeah, sure, I’m, probably I’m adrenal fatigue, like what woman isn’t, but like it’s this fatigue of it feels like old energy that just wants to come up and out. But I’m still energized at the same time, if that makes sense.

Amber Annette: 42:01

What are you going to do to release it? I want to get back to my roots of energy healing, like getting to the roots of I think I’m going to take it’s interesting you’re using the word roots and I saw a tree for you, yeah.

Heather Chauvin: 42:12

Roots, of energy, healing and curiosity there, of maybe even just going to like a weekend who knows, there’s something there but getting back to roots and also just letting it be, being it, be what it is and being like you can hang around, but I’ll listen to you. But I’m not going to act out of fear because you’re here and I’m also not going to surrender or shrink because you’re here. But it feels like it’s so healthy, where old, my old body I say old body, I’m going to say a few years ago it would shut down on me and now it doesn’t shut down. It’s just like, oh God, here she goes again. Like it’s like holding on to like a roller coaster, but it feels good, like there’s magic coming. I can feel it, I’m in magic now and more magic is coming and I just get to like tiptoe and be curious rather than like, all right, let’s go, we got to do this, come on.

Amber Annette: 43:08

Yeah.

Heather Chauvin: 43:09

Yeah, I’m not in a hurry. Yeah, no, I do have a question for you though. Yes, since hearing your woo, I do this weird thing with lead generation. Okay, so in the last year, I was telling myself a story of like I don’t know how to attract new people. And yet most of the people that come to me listen to my podcast and say I don’t even know how I found your podcast. It just like showed up on my phone one day and I listened to it and my soul was like this woman is my next teacher and I just filled out the application and did it and I’m like that’s it, that’s a trust, like the souls will be attracted that need you. And then there’s this masculine that comes in. That’s like to scale, you need to do more, blah, blah, blah. And I’m like not really Like. Yes, there is strategy there, I get the strategic behind that, but it’s there’s a, there’s a. I don’t want to say it’s a clog. It’s not a clog, but it’s like. I’m like I don’t know how to do this and yet I have done it.

Amber Annette: 44:15

Yeah, so one of my favorite things that I like to say is my energy is bigger than the algorithm.

Heather Chauvin: 44:23

I love that.

Amber Annette: 44:26

And I believe that a the clients were meant to serve the universe is going to send our way. I’ve had the same experience and I’ve only had my podcast for a couple months and I’ve had new clients and new people and new experiences come from me just being me and putting this content out into the world. And so what’s coming to me in this is going back a few steps right. When you feel that I want to go create this podcast, I want to go blank, right. I don’t know if you feel the way that I feel when I podcast, but, heather, I am so incredibly present with you in this moment. I have no idea what else is going on in this world.

Heather Chauvin: 45:13

Yeah.

Amber Annette: 45:14

And I think that here, when I podcast, I hope that you feel it in my audience list listening feels how passionate I am and how present I am with what is coming to me and through me in the moment for myself, for my listeners and for my guests. And when we are so present like that, it is absolutely impossible for us to not be in a zone of attraction attraction of clients, income opportunities, events, experiences, people that are going to rendezvous with us to bring us to our next point of success. It is hesitant to say success, but for the lack of other human words, I am going to say success, right. So just know that your energy in those moments are so much bigger than anything any fucking Facebook ad could ever do for you. Your energy is so much greater than a funnel. Now here’s what I will also say. I love me a good Facebook ad. I love coming up with creative lead magic ideas called lead magic, lead magnet magic, right, but the key word in there is that I love it. I actually really love marketing and sales. I enjoy doing it. So I think that’s the other thing. Do you really love marketing and sales? I feel so grateful every day that I do because I have so many clients that don’t. They just don’t naturally enjoy it. And if you don’t, that’s where you outsource it. And then you just stay in your zone of magic, which is behind your microphone, clearly, which is at your retreats obviously, which is being a coach. Now I see your content, I see your content’s phenomenal, I see your Instagram stuff like, but I don’t consider you a content creator, my love. You are a guide, you are a mentor, you are a lighthouse, you are a channel. That is your gift, not the other stuff. Outsource that. Stay behind the mic. Stay behind the mic.

Heather Chauvin: 47:23

That’s where your magic is that feels confirming Good. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Amber Annette: 47:32

Ready.

Heather Chauvin: 47:32

Final question, final question oh wow, she’s doing the neck, I know.

Amber Annette: 47:39

Well, it’s like the next stretch. Yeah, okay, I’m like already, I’m like. So the normal question that I have and I’m going to, so I’m going to ask you the question. Then I also have something for you. Question I have for you is if you could connect with anybody in spirit today and receive a message from them, who would it be?

Heather Chauvin: 48:03

My son’s biological father, who passed.

Amber Annette: 48:09

It feels like a tragic passing. Is that accurate? Yes, quite handsome. Yes, yes, your son looks like him. Actually, he’s saying he’s a good blend of both of you. So I feel like he’s trying to bring forward. Okay, so he’s trying to bring forward I feel like a nickname that he had for you and this isn’t it. But he’s like I feel like in some ways, like I wouldn’t get it. But he’s saying is there anything about the letter K at all? Not that I’m aware of.

Heather Chauvin: 48:58

What about?

Amber Annette: 48:59

for your son, for him, anything at all with the letter K? Okay, I’m going to set that to the side here for a second. Okay, so now he. So this feels to me like this is more about a message, about your connection with him, and if I mean it feels like fire, like there it he literally just shows me like his heart, like the hearts were on fire in great ways and in not great ways for each other. Does that match?

Heather Chauvin: 49:33

Yes.

Amber Annette: 49:37

He’s just so grateful and how you and even your new, your new partner have raised, have raised your son. He’s always so. I get the image and so I don’t know if this was like something for him or if he had a strong faith at that time or anything along those lines, or if he was Christian, but I get the image of a cross. So does that bring up anything like for that timeline or for him? Like I get the image of that and he maybe was like, really I feel like he was at a place of struggle when he passed and there is definitely something around finding faith or wish he could have and knowing that that is not getting passed on to your son, anything about that.

Heather Chauvin: 50:42

Yeah, that’s like. My biggest fear is that he will become him, and yet I deeply respect his father. It’s just a fear of him going down the same path. It feels like it’s broken, like the pattern is broken.

Amber Annette: 50:58

You helped break it.

Heather Chauvin: 51:00

Yeah, and that’s fear that I have to release in my body.

Amber Annette: 51:03

And that’s just. I hope you can just from physically feel from him in this moment, emotionally feel from him in this moment that you helped break that Heather. You being, you doing the work, going deep, going within, being a lighthouse for your son, you broke that. He’s not going to go down that path, thank you. And then I do have another message from your friend that passed. She’s just so grateful and thankful that you listened to her and you sent her mom that message. You have no idea how much it meant to her. And there’s more messages coming. Don’t ever doubt your gift, don’t ever doubt your inner, knowing it’s never wrong.

Heather Chauvin: 51:57

I wish I could break down right now. I’m like, fuck me, I have a few more meetings. But I just want to say thank you. You are a gift to the world and we need each other. The world women need each other to remember who we are.

Amber Annette: 52:15

Thank you, it takes a village yeah.

Heather Chauvin: 52:18

Thank you.

Amber Annette: 52:20

I love you so much. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Business Psychic. I will see you next week. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit and turned up your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic.