Embracing Transformation: Navigating Divorce and Personal Growth with Meagan Norris

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. I’m Amber Annette, your host, and today’s episode is definitely coming straight from the heart. I am here with Megan Norris. She is an attorney and certified life coach. She works with women who are high-achieving and who want to feel like they are the CEOs of their divorce. She helps them create a life that is so good it doesn’t make sense afterwards. I am so excited to gosh be in this conversation with you Of course, right now it’s August 8th and to be super transparent, like not only am I in the middle of a divorce, but I have so many friends and know so many other women. I mean, this just feels like such a hot topic right now. It is top of mind for me and I’m honored to have you here, megan, welcome, welcome.

Meagan Norris: 1:39

Oh, thanks, Amber. I’m really excited to see how this conversation unfolds.

Amber Annette: 1:45

Yeah, I mean, let’s just kind of start with your story. So you’re an attorney and a certified life coach, so how did you start to blend the two, to become I mean, do you call yourself a divorce coach?

Meagan Norris: 2:02

I used to. When I say used to, I mean like a year ago. Okay, I was a divorce coach. Right Now, I would say I’m more of a life coach, and divorces just happens to be part of the story for most of my clients. And it was not a grand plan or a master mind move to end up here. It just happened very authentically and almost feels like it happened behind my back, like the universe was like well, we’re working for you and then, surprise, here’s the big reveal. So I had a law degree and I practiced until 2010,. And then I had my first baby, and my husband at the time worked a lot and so did I, and I hated practicing law. I mean, really hated it. I didn’t have any tools to manage my anxiety. I was just a hot mess express all of the time, and I was so excited to be a mom. I said I’m going to stay home, I will raise this baby, you don’t have to change your work hours. And I became a stay at home mom and three kids later, 2014, 2015, I started feeling called to do something and knew that my own anxiety that seemed to be increasing as the years went on was the path to that, if I could figure out what was happening with my anxiety and fix myself. Right at the time I was like there’s something wrong with me. Then I will be able to use that to help other moms. And I found life coaching very serendipitously. It’s a really fun story. It was accidental. I just stumbled upon this podcast and somebody said did you know that you’re not taking action because of how you feel? Like your feelings are such a big part of this? And it blew my mind and I jumped immediately into life coaching, fell in love with it, got certified and was trying to start this business. And meanwhile my marriage is sort of reaching this peak dysfunction. But we’re in therapy and we’re doing all the things and I’m really focused there too, and my business was just going nowhere. I could not get traction in it and I finally realized oh, I think I’m trying to create financial security so that I feel safe to leave this marriage, but that’s not actually going to be possible until I admit that I don’t want to be in this marriage and actually leave it. So I told him I wanted a divorce. We separated, we went through the divorce process and afterwards I was working with a coach because I was still frozen after my divorce. Now I understand this a lot better because it happens all the time, but I was in this pattern of waiting for the next crisis and so I was just not doing anything. I also didn’t get a job. I was like I know that I’m going to make this coaching business work, so I’m not going to get a job and I’m just going to wait and hold space for myself. And after my divorce, I’m going to start to go to work in my coaching business. And when I noticed I was frozen and not taking action, I hired a coach and I told her my story of how the divorce had gone and she just stopped the conversation and said I’m so sorry, wait a minute, what is happening? How did you do that? How are you doing this? Why aren’t you coaching other women on this? Because this story is unbelievable. And I took 24 hours and I knew that not only did what she said made sense to me, but I felt called to it and it aligned and it was the deeper work I’d been looking for. But I put my finger on before and woke up the next day, made a post about helping women through divorce. That was in March of last year, so 2022. And now, 18 months later, I have a very successful coaching business and I really love the work. I’m obsessed with my clients and the transformation that’s available to us through divorce and I’m so grateful.

Amber Annette: 6:32

I’m not even your client, and I’m obsessed with you.

Meagan Norris: 6:36

I love it, thank you.

Amber Annette: 6:38

Yeah, I love it, I think, every single post. So I’m also not on social media very often you might look like it is, but I’m a little bit like my time in social media and I follow, I think, every single post that you put out. It just is inspirational and I mean it’s not just about divorce, it’s just about being an empowered woman and I was so drawn to part of your tagline where you’re saying I hope women be the CEOs of their divorce, but I also think you help them be the CEOs of their life. It’s not just divorce. I mean, divorce is a symptom of us not following the life path that we’re meant to be living. In my opinion, in my experience and in my intuition, that divorce is just a symptom. It’s the symptom of not honoring and following the calling for me. Yes, and I think there’s something really important for our audience to hear in this when you’re talking about having anxiety, and there is something that I strongly believe and that probably goes against a lot of different mental health statistics and reports and experts and doctors, and I don’t give a shit because I trust what the universe shows me and tells me more than I trust anything else on this planet and I really, truly honestly know and believe in my heart and in my soul that when we, especially as women I’m sure men go through this too, but when we, as women, have panic attacks, it is actually a purpose attack. It is your purpose trying to get through to you. It is a higher calling. It is our bodies being so gloriously divinely designed that it is throwing red flags to us that we are out of alignment with why we came here. It is the biggest to me, not red flag, but it is actually a green flag. It is a green flag that your calling is calling. I love that you started this conversation out, because we haven’t even talked about this at all before. This is our first time actually meeting and talking and it’s such that, calling that moment of man, I know I’m supposed to be doing something different. I know there’s something bigger, grander, greater. Every single human being on this planet experiences a moment like that. And so tell me, let’s go back to that. Like what would you say that was? Like a defining moment for you, a memory, like honoring the calling. How do you do it?

Meagan Norris: 9:22

I think first you have to acknowledge that the anxiety is trying to tell you something instead of just trying to fix the anxiety. Yes, because what happens is we get caught in this loop where we’re trying to convince ourselves that we believe a lie, like I really want this marriage to work. No, I was trying, you shouldn’t have to convince yourself. No, I couldn’t. Like I was trying to. I was using the word coach, but I was trying to convince my brains like if I just work hard enough on me, then I can be okay with this and not need him to change or want him to change. And the more I try to do that, the bigger the anxiety got.

Amber Annette: 10:11

And let me ask you a question about that, as you’re trying to work on yourself, making transformations and you were actually becoming a version of you, and do you think that those changes caused an either bigger disconnect between you and your partner?

Meagan Norris: 10:34

Yes, but I didn’t realize that that what was happening at the time? Yeah, it wasn’t until and it took a good two, two and a half years for me to arrive at the moment where I realized and it was this instantaneous, like breakthrough I had where I realized, oh, this isn’t about him, this is about me. And as soon as I opened up to that truth, it was like what? I don’t want to do this anymore. This mysterious anxiety shifted and I won’t say I just felt rainbows and butterflies all of a sudden, but it was a very purposeful nervousness or excitement, or anticipation of the conversation and how the divorce would unfold. But that’s very different from the anxiety, this sort of vague, gray anxiety.

Amber Annette: 11:34

I was feeling the unknown. Yes, the void of the unknown, I think, is what and I mean this is just in my experience and in my opinion as a coach for the last 10 years whether it’s going into the unknown of a divorce, the unknown of starting a business or putting it is the unknown that keeps us from taking action, because, to our mind, unknown is unsafe. I say it all the time on here, like you have to program your mind to take that action from that new place of vision, because at least the vision feels known. And when you don’t have that, when you don’t claim the vision, is, in my opinion, where that gray, the gray, the void really starts to kick in. So do you, when you think about yourself, your own journey, your clients, do you help them really get a vision for what their new life looks like? Tell me about the envisioning process in this.

Meagan Norris: 12:43

Yes, I do help them because all the work I do with them is anchored in the vision. You have to have an idea of where you want to go. Otherwise, like you said, your brain doesn’t want you to move forward. And it’s so creative. Oh, I’m stuck. I’m not sure I feel guilty.

Amber Annette: 13:02

I’m just indecisive.

Meagan Norris: 13:04

It’s a problem for my childhood, it’s a problem with my belief and not myself. We come up with all these really creative ideas that really just keep us confused and stuck in the same cycle. But when you have that vision and you can anchor into it and say, okay, it’s uncomfortable to move forward towards this. But if I believe it’s possible, that it’s coming, I can bring this fear with me and trust that I am going to create this outcome or that I’m going to co-create it with the universe. And it’s not so much about actually creating that vision. It’s about having, like you said, something to anchor into as you move through a process with a lot of unknown variables, with another human and maybe lawyers or mediators or family or whatever else is involved your kids, if you have them. It helps anchor you and ground you in today so that you can make informed, intentional choices. But the vision’s probably going to evolve and it’s going to shift and change as you grow and move through the process and it’s probably going to be even better than you can comprehend right now.

Amber Annette: 14:20

Yeah, and with your current clients and with the industry and with everything we’re kind of seeing in like social media. I’m just curious, like I read somewhere that and I don’t have the exact statistic or the exact like I’m sure somebody will come at me for like please quote your source. I don’t remember. My source is probably TikTok, let’s be honest, but I keep seeing stuff where it’s called like we’re in the era of the great divorce, where and I think the number was the age of women between I believe it was like 35 and 47 is the highest it’s ever been and the lowest remarriage rate for those same women ever. And so I’m just curious, you know, and again like knowing that most likely a lot of that is coming from from TikTok and from, but I mean, I’ve seen a lot around this like great divorce. What do you think is happening on maybe the level of the collective let’s just go that where women are feeling like this is their best option, like this is the best plan, the best path, like why do you think this is happening right now?

Meagan Norris: 15:43

I think my best guess I hadn’t heard that great divorce term. I guess that makes sense, but I think it’s probably a combination of several factors, probably kicking off what, like you could probably trace it back to, like the 2016 election, right. And then we have the pandemic, where women are at home and we’re also working, but we’re also now homeschooling or we’re you know whatever. However, that life, right. And then we also, post pandemic, have this. What I feel like and sense is a collective raising of our vibration and, at least for me, social media, like the educational quality and the spiritual guidance and the coaching and the psychologists who are sharing their knowledge and, informationally, we’re just becoming. We’re not smarter, but we’re more connected to our truth and our intuition, and we’re seeing people give us permission to listen to that and I think, as we, it’s not so much oh, this is my best option, but oh, this is what I actually want and I have, and I can understand it on an intellectual level, but I can also feel it emotionally and I’ve got people telling me that it’s okay for me to own that truth and I’m gonna be okay afterwards.

Amber Annette: 17:17

Yeah, you’re right, the combination of kind of all of those. Just you know, like there was gonna be this like huge wave of babies coming. You know, people stuck at home together. I think there was kind of like that common like thought and conception that like more babies were gonna come because of COVID, when in reality this great divorce era is coming as a result of it. And it does make me wonder, like how much is social media playing into that? You know, when you talk about being able to be connected, I mean we are. I mean we pick up our phone and we’re instantly connected to content and resources and courses and coaches and community that can be going through the exact same, you know the exact same situation that we’re going to and instantly can just feel comforting. And I’m just curious, you know, how can you stay true to your like authentic self during that time when there is so much out there Like you can get in like consumption overload. You know, to the point where I mean some of the things I was researching and looking up, I was like I can’t even I couldn’t even keep my own thoughts straight anymore of like what was real for me and what I actually wanted, or was it based off of something I read or heard or watched? So how do you really stay true to your authentic self during this, you know, during this time?

Meagan Norris: 18:42

Okay, I have a couple of tips because this is a real thing. When you start to leak energy around your research or your consumption of information, regardless of the source podcast, audio books, social media, other people’s opinions it becomes really important because I do think there’s a tipping right. There’s this point, as you’re approaching the divorce, where your brain just wants to understand and you’re reading and you’re researching to create some sense of safety, but then it starts to tip and it becomes the experience that’s draining, like you just described, where it just becomes overload and overwhelming and now you can’t even really tell what your truth is and what you think about anyone thing and you start to outsource it to other things and other people. So, number one curate the hell out of everything you consume from doomsday news reports, stock market if you’re doing like stock market stuff or political stuff, cut it out. That would be my recommendation. And then curate any social media feeds that you have to align with the highest version of yourself, whether that’s just personal development and cutting out all the divorce stuff, which is what I ended up doing, or just curating specific leaders and making it a place where you go and you feel lighter and you enjoy it, but you really start to cut down on what you’re consuming and then I really think there’s value in finding some kind of one-on-one support or maybe small group support, although even then you’re having there’s so much other noise there can be in a group but a therapist, a coach, a mentor, even a good friend, somebody who will help you validate right, validate how you’re feeling, but then also reflect back to you your truth or your thought errors, or remind you of your vision, because that support really helps you move forward efficiently. Not necessarily we need to go so fast because we don’t, but we can move through it efficiently and learn how to use all of that juicy emotional fuel that the divorce is creating, the guilt, the grief, resentment all of that fuel is really sacred and you can use that fuel to create a life that’s so good it doesn’t make sense and your best possible divorce outcome. But you have to know how to do that and I think part of that is curating the information coming in and being very selective with who you share your experience with and get support from.

Amber Annette: 21:34

So good, thank you.

Meagan Norris: 21:36

Welcome.

Amber Annette: 21:38

So I’m curious when you start to go down this path and maybe even you reach a point where the marriage is complete divorce when you’re working with women that maybe that’s the stage that they’re at Are they ever regretting their decisions? Are you ever seeing that women are regretting the choice to get a divorce?

Meagan Norris: 22:06

No, but what I do see is women paralyzed by the fear that they might. What if I do regret this, down the road and my answer to that is always so. What if you do? The emotion of regret, feeling regret, is just a vibration in your body. And why are we so afraid of feeling a vibration in our body? And when we can neutralize it a little bit that way and put it into perspective, they can usually take a deep breath and say, okay, well, I can trust myself to handle some regret. And I think there’s also this underlying question of like, but what if he is the one? What if he is the one? And I’m messing this up, and I mean my answer is always well, what if he is? If we really believe what’s for us, can’t miss us and the universe always has our back and all of those comforting mantras that we want to say to ourselves, then if he’s the one, then you’re going to come back together in some way, but this is what you want right now. So why don’t we honor that and see what happens and trust yourself to handle whatever you feel in the future when you feel it, instead of feeling terrible ahead of time?

Amber Annette: 23:33

And I think that works in any situation, not just if you’re going through a divorce but just, am I making the wrong choice? I mean, I think as women, we spend way too much time in that space of am I doing the right thing? Is this the right door for me? What if? What if? What? If you know we can love, you know into a state of being paralyzed.

Meagan Norris: 23:57

Yes, and how do you know? How do you know when it’s right? How are you going to decide that there’s no measure outside of you?

Amber Annette: 24:05

Yeah, and I think it’s like that’s where having your intuition and being so strongly connected to it and knowing and having you know nothing more powerful than your inner knowing, how do you work with your clients to like honor that and trust that and feel that Like?

Meagan Norris: 24:27

first, once we uncover it right, and it’s really just a question of what is it that I want, and I always like to qualify that with if you knew everything was going to be okay either way, if you knew everyone was going to be okay either way, living their best life. What is it that you want? What is that, what is that knowing? And once we’ve identified it, I think it’s really helpful to have somebody reflect it back to you, to for someone to say and remind you you know, you just get to follow that desire, that knowing, that intuition, just because you want to, you have permission to do that Right. And because we forget and I don’t know if that’s just human nature or a product of our conditioning or the culture that we live in, it doesn’t really matter it seems to be really powerful and I know it is for me to have someone say, just so you know it’s, you have permission to follow that knowing capital K and when you do, things work out.

Amber Annette: 25:38

Yeah, I mean, I think I don’t think that anybody can actually think of a time when they followed their intuition and it let them down the wrong path. I don’t know anybody that can be like, yeah, I followed my intuition and it really screwed me up. Or yeah, I followed my intuition and it really set me back. And I often say like, typically following earned, you know, it sounds glorious, it sounds amazing. I mean, every time I talk about intuition, people feel like it’s this like beautiful, shiny, like mystical, magical experience and it sounds like that. But in the reality of following your intuition, it’s a typically the path that’s the hardest. It’s typically the path that’s going to bring you the most discomfort, the most contrast, the most stretching of your limits and your boundaries, I mean. But it is also the path that is going to lead you to your next transformation, into your higher calling and to the highest vision that you could have possibly imagined yourself having.

Meagan Norris: 26:54

And.

Amber Annette: 26:54

I. And yet just because it’s the right path doesn’t mean it’s the easy path.

Meagan Norris: 27:02

No, in fact you’re right, it’s usually the most uncomfortable because for some reason, it’s harder for us to speak our truth and move into it than it is to pretend and have that discomfort, like somehow that feels protective. I usually describe it as it feels like your skin is melting off, like it is so uncomfortable. And a lot of the work that I do with my clients is we’re just holding space for that discomfort, like don’t, don’t undo what you did, take a breath. This is just a feeling and we’re going to wait and the magic I call it magic, the magic is coming, the manifestation is coming and I have the most unbelievable stories from my clients and my own life that just blow my mind and I feel so privileged to have a bird’s eye view of all of that. Yeah, and I try to share them as much as possible because it helps everybody else understand. Oh, it’s possible for me to like things happen that don’t make sense. They’re so good, they don’t make sense to our logical brain and I, 18 months into this business and this offer and this work, my trust in that always showing up is becoming so much deeper and it is really rewarding and fun on the other side of it. But while you’re in it, yes, your skin is going to melt off. It’s very uncomfortable.

Amber Annette: 28:44

So let’s talk about for those who are in it, maybe here for a second, so for the listeners that are maybe on the fence, and I want to make sure that everybody knows, like you, don’t just help women going through divorce. That can definitely be a bigger aspect of what’s going on in their life. But, you know, when do you know, like, when do you know it’s time? You know, when do you know it’s time to probably seek out somebody like you for support, for coaching, for guidance, for mentoring, you know, versus just having you know, I mean, I agree, I mean we talked about you touched on there. You know, having a therapist a little bit earlier and a coach is not a substitute for a therapist. Like they’re very different things, first and foremost. But I also, you know, I think it’s important to not just have your friends as a sounding board, because that’s not always super like healthy and productive as well. How do you know when it is really time, you know, to start having somebody like you in in their corner for life or divorce, for transformation?

Meagan Norris: 30:00

I feel like that answer is easier than how do I know when it’s time to leave my marriage? How do you know when it’s time to get support? It’s just when you want to, when you feel called to it, when you feel pulled to it, when something inside of you is telling you go there, you want to be there. That energy, you want to be in that energy, follow that. I call it a bread crumb of desire. Follow that bread crumb of desire because it will lead you to the next thing and the next thing. And then the second thing I’ll say is that I think leaving a marriage happens in two phases. There’s the honesty with yourself, the radical honesty with yourself oh, this is what I want. And, by the way, you can admit that and never do anything. Just because you say it doesn’t mean you have to go and get a divorce. You can live your whole rest of your life married, with the knowing I don’t really want to be in this marriage anymore, it’s okay. So there’s that phase and then usually that leads to the knowing oh, it’s time, I don’t want to be here anymore. And I wish there was a way that I could say no, we’re so enlightened that we can approach that time to actually leave faster, sooner, with more clarity. But I just think that’s not usually true. It’s a process because, especially if you are highly sensitive or an empath where you want to be absolutely sure, you have tried everything, because every single one of my clients had a vision of being married until they died. To this person, yeah, absolutely, and letting that go is a grieving process and a transformation all in itself and it’s okay that it takes the time that it takes to get to that second phase.

Amber Annette: 32:03

And there isn’t a cookie cutter timeframe on that. It’s your own timeframe.

Meagan Norris: 32:09

Yes, and that is why it’s so important to curate who you listen to, because attorneys have a lot of opinions and they’re quote experts, right? Your mom has an opinion, your therapist might have an opinion and none of it matters. Only your knowing and intuition and opinion matters here.

Amber Annette: 32:34

Well said, I love it. I love the work that you’re doing in this world. So needed.

Meagan Norris: 32:39

Thank you, so needed.

Amber Annette: 32:42

I’m so grateful for this conversation and I know my audience is going to be too. I can’t wait to share this with them. And now, in like true, the business like it fashion, I’m going to give you a business reading. Okay, and even though I like follow your social media content, I actually know nothing about your business model or like. So I don’t know like pack, I know nothing about like your actual business. So it’ll be interesting to see what I kind of pick up and channel here and tap into you and then I’m sorry, I’m like already having stuff come in, so I’m just like writing it really quick. And then I will ask you a super powerful question to wrap up this episode, are you?

Meagan Norris: 33:26

ready, megan. I’m Amber, my palms are sweating, okay.

Amber Annette: 33:30

Let’s see, let’s, let’s see, let’s see. So I really need to start doing my podcast with, like, the video aspect also, so that people can see what my process is. So whenever I do somebody’s business reading, I close my eyes, and this is just how I use my gift, so I always have my eyes closed. It just makes it easier for me to hear and see and get visions, and there’s a couple of things coming in. So, number one, when you were talking, I felt and this is how my gifts sometimes work I felt I feel like a ping, I feel like a tingling sensation I call them truth bumps sometimes and I was really feeling something powerful about the your own timeframe framework because and this is coming from a place of knowing and intuition and experience for myself there could be, this could be a powerful way to use it as like a lead magnet or something like this to to to bring in more magical women into your audience, megan. But women want a timeframe. They want to know, like I almost get this like linear line of like the things that need to happen for them to have a transformation, for them to get to their vision. And even though it isn’t an actual timeframe, I’m using like quotation marks and like around that word. There is something powerful about the own, your, your own timeframe framework for you. So I want you to sit with that, see what comes in with that. Think about past clients. You’ve had current clients that are coming to you that are maybe time obsessed, and then there’s something really powerful from the timeframe perspective of latching that onto, like the vision becoming the CEO of your life, of your decisions, of your, the decisions in your vision. So strongly feel that for you and where I can feel you starting to say, like look, I want to be known for more than divorce, because that’s more than who you are now. It will still be an aspect. I think these are women that are either a in the middle of the divorce or at the tail end, or have just been recently divorced. Just because that’s going to be such a powerful message that’s going to still resonate with them. So that’s so. That’s the first thing. The second thing that I keep getting is like the vision of you with two other women, and it feels to me like this is like a sacred circle type of experience, where it almost feels like it’s hybrid Some is in person and some is online where you’re holding some type of container, whether it be a mastermind or but it does feel like there’s an incident level of retreat included where it’s in person. The power here, though, is that it is the three of you holding the space, and it’s like these collaborative, you know, industries that really can rendezvous to give her the full transformation. So, instead of going, basically, and hiring three different coaches and mentors for three different aspects of her life, maybe even of her business, it feels like it’s kind of this all inclusive, all in one, but something really powerful is going to happen. You are going to go into this retreat experience and be blown away by how much you love hosting it and by the power of the in person aspects of it, and, I kid you not, I see you with, like a drum. There’s like a drumming ceremony, and I feel like this new love for like music or healing, the healing arts, is really going to like kick into like high gear for you. So something specifically around that, and then it feels like a no-brainer, but I need to bring it forward anyway in saying you got to get it. It’s not a book, but it is a planner. It feels like to me, it’s like a hybrid that I keep getting the vision and it even has like a spiral. That’s what makes me think it’s like a planner. It has like a spiral ring notebook to it, feeling where it is an envisioning planner and guidebook Books are magical and amazing. I read like a theme yeah, this feels different. It feels like it needs to be an active manual. There’s something really powerful and really significant about that. Whether that is tied to this or not, I’m slightly except. Maybe one leads to the other. I don’t know what your branding colors are. A lot of sage pink, white and black on that, which is interesting. I don’t always see branding colors, but there’s something about that that I feel like a new brand is emerging. Might even have those tones in it. I can definitely. January of 2024 is a significantly successful month for you, probably one of the most, I’m going to even say, ever have in business. Something significant in January of 2024. Wow.

Meagan Norris: 38:51

Okay.

Amber Annette: 38:54

So that’s a lot to unpack there. Anything about that resonate? Come up for you, let’s hear it.

Meagan Norris: 39:00

Yeah, okay, all of it Okay. First of all, I’m very introverted. The idea that I would want to do a retreat might not have made sense to me five years ago, but I just connected with someone on social media who plans travel for women who have just gone through any type of big transition. We have met and discussed doing a retreat in 2024, like a very small, intimate retreat type thing. So I feel like that, of course, is just at you, just sort of filled out that vision, and it’s going to be in Utah, at this glamping place. So the idea that they’re like a ceremonial aspect.

Amber Annette: 39:46

I was going to say like it had like a Southwest feel to it.

Meagan Norris: 39:50

Huh.

Amber Annette: 39:51

That’s why, Like I would have said New Mexico-ish, but I’m sure I mean that’s that same kind of, that’s like same kind of Canyon Vidie, right, yes, that’s where I’m from oh, stop it.

Meagan Norris: 40:04

Yes, I’m from. I was born and raised in New Mexico and I just moved to Texas like nine months ago. So oh I got truth thumbs everywhere, uh-huh, yes. And then I have had book like flashing at me but I didn’t know what that was going to look like exactly and I still feel like it’s taking shape and I was excited. I thought, well, am I supposed to write like a fiction book? I feel like there’s space for some fiction, some mature fiction around divorce and women right, and what that is journey is like, and but then also something around my work. It’s interesting that you saw a spiral and some sort of manual or guidebook, because that has been sort of this recurring theme and desire for me. So one day I’m just going to write a book and sometimes I feel pulled to just open up notes on my phone and start writing. So I’m like, oh, I know exactly what this chapter is going to say and I haven’t yet. So I feel a little called to that. Also, my brand is evolving and my old colors that like years ago a brand person gave me that sage pink and white in them, kind of moody, dark things too, and so I like the black or like a really dark green pulled into there. So the fact that you said it’s pink, white and black, I was like, oh yeah, that’s it. That’s exactly right. So pretty much everything and owning your own timeline has been a recurring theme in the last two months, for my client and for me.

Amber Annette: 41:56

Yeah, I think, especially as we’re talking about that again, I really I say it all the time and like even leaders need leads right, which is, which is really to me what that like the your own timeframe framework feels like of helping her see, like, honestly, fuck the fuck the timeframe, it doesn’t really matter. It matters is this present moment. I think there’s something really powerful in teaching that and claiming that to bring her into your space so that you can you can continue to nurture and build a relationship with her, and she’s going to buy from you because you’re amazing.

Meagan Norris: 42:36

I love that. Thank you, yeah, I think we have. I have some really powerful clients who make a lot of money, have a lot of influence, and there’s a reluctance to own that, and so of course there’s also a reluctance to own a timeline, because sometimes the timeline is fast. We think, oh the timeline, oh it’s going to take a while and that’s okay, but sometimes it happens really fast and that makes us just as uncomfortable as the waiting. So I feel like those things are probably connected in some way and helping her.

Amber Annette: 43:13

See, she gets to have her own Right. Yep, no, we just don’t do cookie cutter.

Meagan Norris: 43:19

No, we don’t. That’s the only consistent thing, awesome.

Amber Annette: 43:25

Well, that’s, that’s what. Just to a quick tap in there. That’s my insight that I got for you. And are you ready for this final question here? Yes, hit me so. So these are always my favorite when my when my guest hasn’t listened to my podcast yet, so they don’t know what this question is. It’s, it’s, this is my favorite. So, all right, here we go. Yep, if you could connect to anybody in spirit today and receive a message from them, who would it be? Oh, now, this could be a past love one. This could be a celebrity. This could be there’s, there’s, there’s no limits here, okay.

Meagan Norris: 44:17

So two things came up immediately and you can help me walk through that. One was my grandmother, who’s passed away, and the other was my future self.

Amber Annette: 44:31

Oh, I love it. So let’s tap into grandmother first. Now this is your mom’s mom, is that correct? Yes, okay, so I have her here with you and the first thing that she does is she draws me to like a necklace that’s around her neck. Is there anything about a necklace from her, or a pendant, anything that you remember, or maybe even your mom might have now?

Meagan Norris: 44:57

I had her wedding rings.

Amber Annette: 44:59

It’s a diamond, so it’s like, but it’s on, it’s on a necklace. It doesn’t look like a ring to me, but it is a diamond. Do you still have it?

Meagan Norris: 45:09

The ring. I still have the rings. I’m trying to think Well, she’s bringing up a piece of jewelry.

Amber Annette: 45:17

So maybe also I feel your mom so really strongly in this. So the three of you are super strongly connected. Now, you and your grandmother were quite close, is that correct? Yes, and there is not always that same connection between you and your mom, is that accurate?

Meagan Norris: 45:36

Yes.

Amber Annette: 45:36

And so she is just saying oh, she I mean she put so you can see where my hand has gone. My hand has gone to my heart, and that’s where your grandmother is showing me her hand, and I feel like she is saying this next, I’m going to say these next five to eight years, there’s going to be this deeper connection between you and your mom. You’re going to get closer to her, but you’re going to have to be the one. You’re going to have to be the one, you’re going to have to be the one to initiate it, to activate that level of communication, to open up the doorway to love. I feel like your mom has just been very she just I don’t know if she just she feels like a little bit more closed off emotionally and you are very sensitive, you are an empath, you’re open and you’re authentic and in some ways, I feel like your mom was just raised to maybe be in the opposite of that, like you don’t wear your heart on your sleeve, you don’t, you don’t just like air it out out there and just doesn’t understand. And so, over the next five years especially, you’re going to really be deepening and developing a new level of relationship with her that you’ve not had before and you have not experienced, and it’ll be just an integral piece to like a level of happiness that I think that you have not ever experienced with with your mom. Even though there’s love, there’s not like major issues, major like this is just a deeper level of love that you’ve ever got to and that I feel like you’ve your grandma’s telling me you’ve always craved, like you crave with your mom, what you had with your grandmother, and to feel like that Does that resonate. Yep, check with your mom. I’m going to be curious about this. It’s got a diamond. It looks like a diamond in the middle, it’s a. It’s the first thing she kind of draw me to was this piece. Curious to see if your mom has a piece like that. There’s something about that coming. The next thing that, okay. So when I connect into so I’m not going to try to second guess she is married and she’s happy. This future Wait, who is this? This future version of you and she has your hair is longer and it’s curled. You look different, you look younger, you look more vibrant, and this feels to me like it’s very soon, I would say in the next three years. And she’s Sitting on top. So the vision that I get is she’s sitting on top of a stack of books A stack, sister, let me tell you and she says to me no, holds bar, anything about that term specifically. Do you say that? Is that something you’ve ever felt? Yes, that’s like something I’ve never channeled before. Those, those words.

Meagan Norris: 48:55

I have always been sort of a ball to the wall, all in kind of spirited person, and I have held like, tamp that down forever because I didn’t think it was nice or lady like or palatable. And I am right now. I feel like I’m at the precipice of unleashing that on purpose and just letting it be what it is and embracing it. And I also love books Like I can’t get enough of them.

Amber Annette: 49:26

Yeah, there’s something also really powerful about Like I’m going to say, like the mountains are calling, like I get the images of mountains, and like the sun setting, like there is, you have got to honor that. She’s telling me anything about that for you. Well, yeah, I have been.

Meagan Norris: 49:51

Like I said before, we recorded, called to Denver in the mountains. I love the mountains and I tried to move there in the fall and it didn’t work out with my ex. He was on board and then he changed his mind and I was so sad at the time and it, but I didn’t give up on it. I just thought it’s not for right now, but a sunset and the mountains. I’m just freaked out because that is my Thing. I stand out on the deck of this rental house and I close my eyes at sunset and I envision that scene Instead of what I’m looking at. It’s coming, it’s coming, she’s coming, but I didn’t know it was coming, coming, coming.

Amber Annette: 50:47

She’s there so good. Oh my God, I don’t know what to say.

Meagan Norris: 50:52

Well, say you enjoyed being on the podcast.

Amber Annette: 50:55

This is magical. Thank you so much for being here. Anything else you want to?

Meagan Norris: 51:00

share with our audience.

Amber Annette: 51:01

We always put shown like ways to connect with you and your website and your social media avenues all in our show notes. But, megan, this was absolutely glorious. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, amber, for having me.

Meagan Norris: 51:21

This was really special, thank you.

Amber Annette: 51:26

And until next time, go be in your magic. See you soon. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit, in turn of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes For access to my transformation suite all of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic. Soul sister.