Discovering Success through Authenticity, Curiosity and Curiosity with Jessica Hoch

Amber Annette: 0:02

Welcome to the Business Psychic Podcast, the show that helps you ignite your soul’s purpose, turn up your creativity and activate sales and marketing magic. I’m your host, Amber Annette, and I’m thrilled to be here with you today to explore the depth of what it means to be a woman in business. I believe that business is more than just making money. It’s about making a difference and making your mark. So sit back, get present and let’s dive in and uncover the secrets to building a business with soul, purpose and magic. Welcome back to another episode of the Business Psychic. This is Amber Annette, I’m your host, and today I am beyond thrilled to bring to you Jessica Hoek, the owner and visionary behind Moxie Mala’s. She has seamlessly merged her passions for yoga and apparel design. With over 13 years of experience as a yoga teacher and armed with a degree in apparel design, Jessica found the perfect blend of these two worlds through Moxie Mala’s. What began as heartfelt gifts for loved ones quickly evolved into a remarkable collection of purposeful jewelry. Each piece is thoughtfully crafted to serve as a meaningful adornment, intentionally reflecting the wearer’s unique journey. Moxie Mala’s embodies Jessica’s commitment to creating jewelry that beautifully resonates with those seeking intentionality in what they wear. Jessica, the founder of Moxie Mala’s. I’m so excited and so honored to have you on the Business Psychic.

Jessica Hoch: 1:36

Hey, I’m so excited to be here. Thank you for having me. I was so excited when I got the invite.

Amber Annette: 1:41

Of course, to be fair. So not only has Jessica become just a phenomenal friend over the last few years, but she is also, for sure, one of my favorite clients. I am just obsessed with her company and her mission. I’m so excited to bring her to you today. Walk us through this, though. Take us back to the beginning of your journey. I mean, you think about you. Started as an apparel design, went to school for that, went down the path of a spiritual awakening, got into yoga, became a yoga teacher, now on to creating a multi-six figure Moxie Mala bracelet and jewelry company. I mean, it’s just such a phenomenal story. So take us through that a little bit. How did you get here?

Jessica Hoch: 2:27

Yeah, it’s interesting when you bring it all the way back to the apparel design aspect of it, I’ll say that’s bringing it way back. So I actually studied abroad in London and Paris and then I ended up going out to New York City for a career fair and I got there and thought, oh no, I don’t want this. I didn’t want the rush and the rat race and the go go go After all that studying, but I still love creating right. So I came back and I ended up getting into yoga and finding yoga kind of by accident and instantly fell in love, and so much so that I started a yoga business and I had a yoga business and then my two sons were born and the yoga business and children didn’t quite mix, and so after that, honestly, I felt a little bit lost because I had really put myself, like my identity was wrapped into that yoga business. And when I closed it it was like, oh no, now what? And I was feeling a little lost and I ended up selling bags for an MLM company and I totally found my voice again and was like oh my gosh, look at this. And what I loved about the structure of that was how it brought people together. I’m like look at all these groups of people coming together and creating community and talking and being in groups. And then I thought, oh, how do I do this in a meaningful well, not that it wasn’t meaningful, but in a way that resonates with my own spiritual path and I started making. I had already started making jewelry, like you said, as the gifts for people, and then I had somebody say will you make me one? I’ll pay you for it? And I was like, wait a minute, people want these, you know, beyond my gifting. And yeah, and so Moxie Malas was born and I started creating the jewelry. And the reason why I did it it was funny because I told my husband about it, right, I said I’m gonna make jewelry and he was like, oh Lord, now what I’m bare with me. I said I’m gonna make jewelry as a vehicle for a broader message, Like I was finding people weren’t coming to yoga because they’re intimidated or they had other reasons and but they were missing so much of the self-exploration, the healing, the empowerment, the finding their authenticity, like you said, and I wanted the jewelry to be a vehicle for that message. That was very approachable.

Amber Annette: 4:53

And you have done that. I mean how so? How many years ago? Like how old is Moxie Malas?

Jessica Hoch: 5:00

now it’s so funny you said should ask that because today Moxie is eight years old. Oh seriously, yeah, today is my business birthday.

Amber Annette: 5:09

Congratulations and happy business birthday. That’s amazing. Eight years and you, I mean, like how many thousands of different pieces of jewelry and bracelets. I mean just what an incredible story and such. And doing what you love and loving what you do I mean that’s what it’s all about, for sure. So where did you come up with the name? I’m curious. I always love to hear where people’s creative fires come from. Where did you come up with the name? Moxie Malas?

Jessica Hoch: 5:37

I wanted something that was really fun, right? So when we come down this path of self discovery, of internal inquiry, this kind of thing, people think it’s really you’re achieving peace and tranquility and calmness. And I want to say you know, my tagline is peacefully untamed. It’s like you can be peaceful and find all that calm and still have Moxie and have fun and be playful and be clever and be, have perseverance and and just sort of this like playfulness. And Moxie was really that word of. What I really looked up was perseverance in thesaurus and Moxie came up and I was like, oh, perfect, it’s playful, it’s meaningful and it embodies exactly what I want people to feel.

Amber Annette: 6:21

And I just want to say, knowing you like you embody your business mission and the name of your business. You really do I’m, and so if you guys, you haven’t seen a picture of Jessica, but she’s absolutely stunning and she’s got these like super cool full sleeve tats and I can’t believe you don’t have a Moxie tattoo yet. You really, you’re so cute.

Jessica Hoch: 6:39

You do.

Amber Annette: 6:40

I’m not putting my logos right here, I didn’t even know, Okay, so maybe, yeah, I didn’t even realize you actually had a, had your logo tattoo. That’s amazing, I love it. Surprise. So you know, I heard you when you were talking about. You know you’re going to your husband and saying, okay, I have an idea, I think I want to do this thing. You know, it really stirred up in me entrepreneurial spirit, and I mean some of us just have it. I mean like it’s just like it’s in us. We’re always thinking about it or we’re on to the next idea. We just have that. And I want to talk to our audience here a little bit about that entrepreneurial path, and not just even the path, but all of the different, I’m going to say, like pivots and points along the way. One of my most favorite YouTube videos is of Steve Jobs and he’s giving the commencement speech and I believe it’s at Harvard I don’t even know how many years ago now, 15 years ago maybe and in this commencement that he is giving, he talks about these different points in his life that he wasn’t sure why there was an entrepreneurial calling or why it was like calling to him, but he just knew he had to honor it, and so one of the things that he did was he? Everybody was telling him to take all these like mathematics classes and college and all these like science, and he felt called to take calligraphy and everybody was like that’s the stupidest class you could take. Why would you ever take calligraphy, right? But yet something was telling him take calligraphy, and so he took the calligraphy class. Well now, as you can imagine how many years later, anybody who operates and interacts with any type of Apple product is interacting with his calligraphy class, because he went on to use that as part of his company. And why I’m bringing that up and why that story always sticks with me, is because there’s these, so many, these connecting the dots. There’s these dots along the way that we’re always collecting, I think. For myself, I learned how to do sales, I learned how to do marketing and then, all of a sudden, you start combining them and that that’s what you’ve done here. So how did you start connecting all of these dots and pull them together into this?

Jessica Hoch: 8:59

company. It’s really interesting because those dots aren’t necessarily like. I wasn’t looking for them. The dots show up and then you’re like, oh okay, it’s almost like listening. I do a lot of my business based on my intuition, based on how I feel as a manifestor. I have to feel good and has to feel right, and I’m also always listening, like what’s going on, I’m observing and kind of have a finger on the pulse, kind of thing. So I started the business and I started making jewelry. I had no idea what I was doing, by the way, but when it comes to making jewelry, literally I bought a bea box with $60 of beads and was like I think I’m gonna do jewelry. That’s why my husband was like oh Lord and so. But then I started and like, for example, that one person who said you know, will you make me one? I’ll pay for it. It wasn’t a thought, but that became a dot. It was like, oh, okay, I’m gonna go in this direction. And then I thought is this the path? I don’t know. And literally that same day, within the hour, I get a message from somebody saying I bought a mala from you. It’s changed my life. I’ve started meditating every single day off my anxiety meds, you know. And it was just like okay, this is, it is the message, it is working. It’s not just jewelry that I’m making.

Amber Annette: 10:22

That’s evidence.

Jessica Hoch: 10:23

Yeah, and I needed that evidence to like, okay, for sure, this is the right path. And then with the workshops, the Moxie malas Bracelet Workshop, I had no intention of creating a workshop and someone asked me hey, all this information and knowledge you have, you know, do you have a workshop that you could teach, like for my community? Here’s another pivot point, you know. And so just connecting these dots and following the dots, following the pivots, and yeah, it’s just been really interesting to be open to different avenues on that path. You know, rather than being like this is what it’s gonna look, like this is how I’m gonna get there, xyz, here we go. It’s like, okay, I’m gonna start and see how this goes and then and then go from there. Yeah, I’m still, and I love that.

Amber Annette: 11:07

I love that. What you’re really saying is you got curious. One of the things that you’ve probably heard me say is curiosities often lead to callings. It’s been those times that there’s just that tiny little entrepreneurial itch, or there’s that tiny little intuitive nudge, or there’s that little curiosity of, hmm, I just wonder and letting the wonder of the, letting it build and exploring it, and gosh, it can just lead you down A the same path, but a happier, more fulfilled path, or B onto paths that you didn’t even know existed, that can lead you to so much more. I mean more fulfillment, more happiness, more money, more clients more love joy, whatever it is that is you’re seeking. But I think sometimes people think that their calling is gonna be this like big, booming voice from God, or like you’re just supposed to know what your sole purpose is. Like there’s, it’s just put on such a pedestal it really is, and yet it’s these subtle callings, it’s those little unknowns, but the ones that make you wonder, that are always, in my opinion and in my experience and in my intuition, are leading you to your next point of purpose.

Jessica Hoch: 12:27

I love that and also tying it into curiosity and naming it. I think that’s amazing. It makes me think of when I very first started my yoga journey. I was on a treadmill. I was a marathon runner, I was a soccer player. And I’m running on this treadmill and like just dying, and I’m looking down at LA Fitness, looking down at the place where they’re doing yoga. I’m like what is this? And it was a curiosity. I was like I just kept hearing this. You should try that. You should try that. Just go see what it is. Just go in there. I’m not cause. I’m like why are they turning the lights off? What are they doing in there? And then I went in and my first class, I lay down and I just started crying after what the teacher said and I’m like, oh, this is something. And that launched the, the yogic path, the path of introspection, discovery. And then here we are.

Amber Annette: 13:20

It makes me like really pissed off at whoever said curiosity killed the cat Like that person like the second.

Jessica Hoch: 13:28

You said it. I was like, of course, they said that.

Amber Annette: 13:31

That was nothing more than somebody like creating a statement based off of fear. Yeah, so I think no, curiosity did not kill the cat. That is not true at all. Curiosity created entrepreneurs is what it does.

Jessica Hoch: 13:47

It creates Curiosity, creates worlds.

Amber Annette: 13:50

Yes, yes, Universes, even yes, yeah. The other thing is that I really wanted to make sure I touched on here, and it’s also this is now the second time I’ve done a podcast where I’m like I need to have a visual side of this podcast as well, where people can see the video, not just the audio, because if people could see you like you are just one of the coolest checks I’ve ever met you like seriously. You’re so like stunning and you’re a tattoo and everything about you like is so real, raw and authentic. Just that’s the way that I see you. I always have seen you since I first met you and connected with you. So I’m just curious, like living from this place of like true authenticity, have you always been this way or did you become this way?

Jessica Hoch: 14:38

I would say that it you okay. There was one specific thing that happened to me in seventh grade, so that, just because of what you’re talking about, I’m hearing and feeling this story. So I had gone shopping for back to school clothes and I bought this shirt. It was a red t-shirt. It had a denim, hot patchwork heart on it and I was like I think other people would like this. I don’t really like it, but I really hope other people will think oh, that’s a cool shirt, right? So I’m all beaming like people are gonna love this shirt, right. I put it on. I go to school first thing. I’m talking like a minute of walking into school, someone walks up and goes that’s a dumb shirt. I mean, you know, middle school girls, yeah, great, thanks, you know.

Amber Annette: 15:20

Worst day of your life.

Jessica Hoch: 15:22

Well, no, I mean it literally was this huge opening to my eyes at such a young age. I was like, you know, I didn’t even like this shirt, you know, I’m not even gonna wear it. And I was like you know what? That’s the last time I wear something for somebody else, and how does that translate in the rest of my life? That’s the last time I do something for somebody else, you know, I mean in that way, like for somebody else’s external validation, and so it was like, but it’s, I won’t say that. It’s like oh yeah, I am authentically me, no matter what. There are times where you’re like, oh, am I enough or am I too much? Or, you know, there’s all those thoughts that run through your mind. So it is an ongoing practice of, I would say, self-awareness and self-compassion, you know.

Amber Annette: 16:06

I don’t know why, but I want to talk for a second and we didn’t talk about this beforehand. So I really struggle with apparel. Like I really struggle with like what to wear. I feel like I change so much all the time that I don’t have like a signature style I feel like I never know anything about, like I’m not a trendy dresser by any means.

Jessica Hoch: 16:33

I how?

Amber Annette: 16:35

how does apparel and clothing and your jewelry, like, how does that help you connect, like the inner pieces of you to that outer piece of you? I mean I am super connect, I mean you know this right. Like I am super connected on the inside of who I am, where I’m going, my connection to the universe, and yet outside visual representation of me. Sometimes I’m like like I’m sitting here looking at like my ripped jeans and my like satin shirt and I’m like this outfit probably does not. What is this?

Jessica Hoch: 17:12

So how do?

Amber Annette: 17:13

you like what is the go back? Let’s like, let’s go into this a little bit, Like how can you have the out you? Because I think maybe that what I’m really saying here is I think you do such a phenomenal job of the outside of you the, the clothes you wear, the jewelry, where it just is like a representation of your soul. I really believe that when I see you, how do you do that? I want to do that. How do you do that?

Jessica Hoch: 17:41

I think about seventh grade and think I’ll never dress for someone else again. No, I think what it is, you know, I’ve thought about that too, actually the whole signature style and like how do people know that this is me, you know? Or my look, my style, and I am very I say I’m very multifaceted, right? So there are times where I’m going to be in flowy linen pants, with a, with a shawl over me and look look like a goddess Right. And then there’s times where, like, I’m on my bike, I’m on my motorcycle today and I look like a biker bitch, you know, and it just is amazing. I think what it is is like I just I dress for my mood. You know the people talk about, oh, I got to put my outfit out the night before. I’m like there’s no way, what am I? I will wake up. I’m not gonna feel like wearing that.

Amber Annette: 18:33

Okay, I can’t hold this back anymore. I kind of brought this up for a reason, and usually towards them, towards the end of the show is when I start doing this. But you do know it’s time for Moxie Mala to start having a peril right. Like you don’t know, that’s coming.

Jessica Hoch: 18:47

I mean, I didn’t know.

Amber Annette: 18:49

Okay, well, just so you know that’s coming. I see I’m dead. So, tapping in here, I’m seeing like a chakra clothing line which is super freaking cool. So that’s next that’s coming, and it feels like like not that the jewelry is like a part of the shirt, right, but like a signature piece of jewelry goes with the shirt, and it feels like limited line. Like you know, there’s only like limited pieces kind of thing. It’s not something that’s always in stock, it’s exclusive, it’s maybe around Christmas. So, girl, get going on that I’m, I can see it already and if I can see something, well then we know it needs to like be brought to the world. So we’ll tap into that a little bit more here. When I get to your, when I get to your business reading, for sure, for sure. So you know, let’s, let’s now bring kind of our listeners to where you’re at now. So Moxie mall is is rockin bracelets, jewelry. It’s amazing, just the love, the mission of your company. But your own spiritual journey has kind of led to a new business journey. Inside of Moxie mall is so kind of share where things are going right now, because it is freaking phenomenal and I’m so excited for our audience to hear about it.

Jessica Hoch: 20:04

Yeah, I think so. How my journey has been evolving is really about, you know. You talk about being authentic and really finding my authentic voice and how to share this message of Moxie in a bigger way and how to get more people on this Moxie train of personal empowerment and healing and finding their own authentic voice. And so that’s where we came up with the Moxie mentor program. So it’s really interesting when I talk about the Moxie bracelet workshop that we have. I’ve had people come into that workshop and say I thought I was making a bracelet. What the hell just happened? Because their eyes are open to all these different ideas and all these possibilities of what healing can look like for them, what their journey might look like, what empowerment would look like for them, and so I thought how can we get more, as many people as possible having their eyes opened to the possibility of themselves? And so that’s where the my Mentor program comes in and training other people on how to facilitate a workshop that would create the sacred container of self-development.

Amber Annette: 21:14

And so and let’s just talk about what your workshops actually do. They activate. They activate an awakening. You know these women are coming to your workshops thinking they’re making a bracelet and really what’s getting activated is purpose. You talk about manifesting, you talk about healing, you talk about self-development. Inside of these workshops it’s so much more than jewelry. That’s just a beautiful piece of evidence that they were there in that moment with you and that locks it in and it symbolizes that point of transformation. But that’s what this mentorship is about. And so kind of talk a little bit about how. So there’s just going to be a variety of workshops, or tell us a little bit about that, what these my Mentor workshops are.

Jessica Hoch: 22:03

Yeah, absolutely. So there are going to be a variety of different workshops, different focuses on workshops. There’s the one, like the signature workshop is about, you know, taking an assessment of where you are and how to introduce to the energy and crystals and creating intention manifestation, that kind of thing. And then the other workshops are going to be more pinpointed on specific, different topics. Right, and so the Moxie Mentors are going to be trained in all these different workshops and then they can, in turn, go and facilitate these workshops During the my Moxie Mentor training. The reason why I wanted to do the Mo Cementor training, versus just sign people up and they can go teach, is because there is so much more to the workshop than just making a bracelet, like you were saying. So I’m talking about how do you facilitate a transformational workshop? How do you hold space for trauma right, that might come up. How do you find your own voice and create this sacred container and, at the same time, sharing the knowledge that’s behind all of the energy work, all of the crystals. I mean it’s a robust amount of information to walk in and go hey, we’re going to make a bracelet, you know, yeah, in order to facilitate that transformation.

Amber Annette: 23:18

I love it. Well, I’m excited for you to bring this new mentorship to the world. I’m super excited to support you with that and for our listeners. I just want to make sure that you guys go and check out the notes section because A there’s going to be a link there to a special gift from Moxie Malas, from Jessica, and just make sure to go check out the website. It’s moxiemalas. com and there is just the coolest jewelry on there, the best bracelets, and I am super excited to just say that I have partnered with Moxie Malas just very recently and we are making an exclusive partnership piece. That I cannot wait. It’s going to be exclusive for just the business psychic and it is I kind of want to like tease them with the name Should. I tell them. Should I tell them the name of it?

Jessica Hoch: 24:13

Yeah, I mean, it’s yours.

Amber Annette: 24:15

So it is. It is the intuition queen bracelet and I’m super excited to have that exclusive piece with you, Jessica. So thank you so much for saying, for just sharing you and your journey and your insights.

Jessica Hoch: 24:33

And now, in true the business. Yeah, here we go In true the business psychic fashion.

Amber Annette: 24:42

I am going to just kind of tap in and I feel like I’m kind of cheating on this one a little bit, because I’m connected with you all the time, we work together all the time, but I don’t always just do business readings when you’re a coaching client of mine. So this is, this is still gonna like the apparel thing. I did not see that coming and all of a sudden I saw this like full line of these, like super cute shirts that had an accompanying bracelet, like why would it not? Like? That makes total sense. I want one, please. So then I don’t have to worry about just like my apparel for me. Please just plan my apparel for me, thank you. So I’m going to tap in, I’m going to do a business reading and then I have a very important question for you. So ready, yeah, okay. So let’s, let’s tap in here, okay. So as much as you love the bracelets and the jewelry, because of the energy and the frequency of the stones, there is just so much more in jest, that word moxie that can be infused into multiple products. And so not only am I seeing some shirts, but I’m also starting to see a line of what looks like journals or some type of like notebook or some type of some type of paper product like that so is. So you said you hadn’t thought of the shirts, which now I can. I’m telling you, it’s already a line, it’s happening, but have you ever thought about like journals or something along those lines?

Jessica Hoch: 26:14

Well, I have to say thank you for the confirmation, because I woke up and was half asleep and I keep a notebook on my nightstand for this moment and I was like, oh, just scribble this, I’ll read it later. I don’t even know what I’m writing and it was like you need to have a moxie journal and an accompanying deck.

Amber Annette: 26:32

Wait a minute. When did that happen? Like a couple weeks ago. So confirmation evidence from the universe. It is time to expand those things. Now the other thing and I know this might feel a little overwhelming because you already are building a beautiful, you know tier of your business with the moxie mentorship, but I feel like signature pieces for people’s homes. I feel like Interesting. It’s so important to have the energy of these rocks and crystals and plants and things like that in our homes. It raises the frequency, it raises the vibration. Probably about 10 years ago now, I had my home doused and had these like energy rods placed in certain places and this was to raise, like, the frequency of your home. And maybe it did, because ever since then I’ve done amazing right. And how cool would it be if you also like I almost think of like you created like a moxie home map that then came with like a different crystal to place inside of a crystal piece to place inside of the home, right, but the cool part about this is it could be a subscription, right. So they get, they get this map of their entire home and month one they get I have no idea Like I’m just going to go with this like they get a piece of selenite to place in their kitchen, for example, or a cool like and not just like a piece of . Maybe it’s weaved into something that gets put on display, or it can be put in a plant or something right on the refrigerator, something cool like that. But then the next month they get the second piece for the second place in their home and so they start to build the energy inside of their home from your knowledge and your wisdom, of your of, from your collection. So there are some really cool things that like that I see coming for you that you’re like Okay, here we go again. Here’s that other pivot, and I’m also the universe is is really telling me it’s time for you to get curious again, and as much as you are already like in it in the business, I feel like there’s some magic missing. I feel like there’s, there’s some of that curiosity that is stirring that maybe you’ve been ignoring. So I don’t know if that matches for you either how you’ve been feeling lately.

Jessica Hoch: 29:08

And it sure does, and I already know what it’s talking about.

Amber Annette: 29:12

Here we go, another ride, another entrepreneurial.

Jessica Hoch: 29:17

Yeah, I haven’t even touched it. Yeah.

Amber Annette: 29:22

So, it’s okay to be curious, as I like curiosities often lead to callings, so that it doesn’t mean that you’re not going to have Moxie. There’s something the universe is asking you to lean into. Really pay attention to that Good news. November and December of this year are going to be your best months in business ever. So not sure what you got cooking for us over there, but it feels like phenomenal numbers. November and December so exciting that’s. Who doesn’t want to hear that? For their numbers, october the universe is showing me something with October. I feel like there’s going to be some travel in October that’s going to lead to some type of opportunity. I would say. I almost feel like it’s going to lead to a celebrity, like a well known celebrity, wearing one of your pieces. That like gives you just like an explosion, thank you. If you’ve been toying with TikTok shop, I’m also going to tell you to hold and pause on that for just a little bit longer. Sure, I would. I feel like around that same time, october feels like a better time for you. If you’ve been thinking about TikTok shop and I don’t know we haven’t talked about that, but there’s there’s an opportunity for TikTok in October to get some jewelry listed on there and it feels like it just kind of goes gangbusters like viral, viral, viral. I’m seeing it Got to wait until October on that one Perfect.

Jessica Hoch: 31:03

Any questions on those? No, it’s all aligning with things that are in my mind and Get them into the world. I know.

Amber Annette: 31:11

You’ve been thinking it. The universe gave you the idea for a reason.

Jessica Hoch: 31:13

Take it and run with it. Girl, and I love that.

Amber Annette: 31:16

Yes, yeah, I do give a lot of ideas, I know, yeah, if you’re working with me, the ideas kind of come in like the form of a fire hose sometimes, but that’s okay. Ideas, income, and who doesn’t want that, right, right, okay, now To wrap it up, my signature question are you ready? So, for those of you listening, Jessica has not this. We’re still in the early stages of the podcast year and Jessica does not know this question. And if you’re a listener and this is not your first podcast, you know what I’m going to ask her, but she doesn’t. So I’m excited to do this because it’s fun when nobody knows the question, when, when, when my guest doesn’t know the question. If you could connect to anybody in spirit and receive a message from them, who would it be?

Jessica Hoch: 32:09

I could connect to anybody in spirit. Anybody in spirit Now.

Amber Annette: 32:13

I want to point out that I have connected to Steve Jobs, I’ve connected to Marilyn Monroe, even connected to Michael Jackson for somebody. I’ve connected to people’s past loved ones. So there is no limit on this, on who I can channel and connect to for you.

Jessica Hoch: 32:31

Oh, oh. He’s like I’m going to ask it right now. Who would I, who would I connect with? What, if I don’t know the name? Oh well, let’s go. I want to connect to a healed ancestor from my lineage, from the Rose Clown of Scotland.

Amber Annette: 32:55

So what’s interesting is, as soon as you said that, I got this image of like a Celtic cross, of this like weaved, this weaved image, and I don’t know if you’ve ever seen an image of her, but I get this long, wavy, strawberry blonde hair, just like going down her back and she has a gorgeous crown of flowers around her head and she is you and you are her.

Jessica Hoch: 33:37

I like it.

Amber Annette: 33:40

And when you think of the word moxie, I want you to envision her, because in a time that feels like women were so oppressed and in a in a world where they were in, he was full of moxie and fought with her heart and soul. Do you know that to be?

Jessica Hoch: 34:05

true of her. Oh yeah, it feels true, and I think that’s what I’m talking about. Yeah, absolutely.

Amber Annette: 34:15

So she also sends an image to me for you, and I don’t know if you’ve ever connected to this before, but she sends the and and I have to be mindful of this because this is an image that I receive for myself or something. But she is sending it to you for a different, and she’s sending a black crow which tells me that she, back in that time, might have been, I’m going to say, a Celtic witch, which I don’t know that I’ve ever heard that term before, or that in this crow, this black crow, is just a symbolism of her power and of her wisdom and of and of her magic that she had back then, that she had to keep secret, and you don’t have to keep it secret.

Jessica Hoch: 35:02

I like it. And if he is me and I am her, understand loud and clear, feel good. Yeah, I mean, the black crows are like a really big thing in my life, really really big thing. So oh, we’ve never talked about that before. We haven’t. That’s why I’m like I’m surprised you know that. You didn’t know that I mean like I have it.

Amber Annette: 35:31

You have a black crow tattoo. Are you kidding me? I have four of them. You have four black crow tattoos, yeah, no.

Jessica Hoch: 35:38

And a thing that says she is me. So yeah, I was. So I had a past life regression done a long time ago and she said that in a past life that I controlled the crows and that it was part of?

Amber Annette: 35:52

Oh my God, I’m covered. In truth, jessica, we have been working. We have never had this conversation before.

Jessica Hoch: 35:58

I know I get surprising. I like it, yeah, and she and you know, in my sense, when I was pregnant with my sons and this has never happened before since three weeks before they were born like 300 crows descend on our neighborhood. It was so loud that I could hear it from downstairs and I went outside and was like, oh my gosh, what is happening? It’s time, you know. And then each time there was a crow that had like laid down and died under a tree in our yard, like tucked its beacon and was done and it’s supposed to be a sign of like long life and health and wealth and all that. So, and it happened three weeks before my first son and three weeks before my second son. Oh my gosh, that’s amazing. Yeah, it’s kind of wild. People don’t believe me when I say it and I’m like I don’t need you to. Oh, I believe you.

Amber Annette: 36:49

I believe you have the energy I just pulled from her. I believe you like. She showed me that sign for you loud and clear, and I had no idea that was such a significant piece for you. That’s amazing. Well, now you know where it comes from. I love it, I’m about it. Thank you, jessica. Thank you so much for being on the show, thank you so much for listening and until next time, go be in your magic and I will see you on the next episode. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope it inspired and ignited your entrepreneurial spirit in terms of your intuition and trust in the universe. Make sure to check out the show notes section for access to my transformation suite All of free resources, tools and content to help you grow your business while staying true to your soul’s purpose. Until next week, go make some business magic, soul sister.